# Bumping analogy and why it is griefing **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [March 2, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327 "2020-03-02T17:01:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/21 "2020-03-03T00:30:59Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Just so everybody knows what’s going on here, this is an alliance with 13K+ members (SICO) complaining that a single player with 2 accounts (me), is bumping their Orcas left and right every day, and pretending that CCP should solve the problem for them. Make of that what you wish. Maybe arrange for a couple of Talos to arrive while you’re bumping. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/22 "2020-03-03T00:58:47Z")
> [@Achelon\_Curfew](#): > > SOLUTION: > > Make ship-to-ship contact a hostile act, according to these rules: > > -the ship with the greater velocity is the aggressor, and bumping occurs more than once in a 10 minute timer in open space, > -no aggression between fleet-mates, corps-mates, and high-standing mates, > -no aggression within docking perimeters. > > I ask that the Council considers backing changing the rules similar to the above that protect high-sec players from obvious actions that in any same world are considered hostile. > > This is not what Eve is about. > > Thank you for reading my wall of text! > > TL;DR- Change bumping rules to protect game enjoyment of players in high-sec space while griefing players actually incur risk for their hostile behavior. I’d be in favor of massively increasing the base speed of mining ships, allowing for easier getaway from closing tacklers and making bumping avoidance easier. I disagree with the suspect penalty, that can easily be used against you by having a cheap bumper bump you into a slow moving ship, flagging you for pvp and your expensive ship dies 0\_0 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/23 "2020-03-03T01:01:04Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Just so everybody knows what’s going on here, this is an alliance with 13K+ members (SICO) complaining that a single player with 2 accounts (me), is bumping their Orcas left and right every day, and pretending that CCP should solve the problem for them. Make of that what you wish. Hurting new players while they mine is not nice. > Also fully expect the forums to be spammed with threads like this in the foreseeable future. This is exactly the kind of attitude that Sabus Narian promotes and the way he “teaches” the newbies he recruits to deal with difficulties in the game… So people should not be allowed to speak of issues that they face? ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/24 "2020-03-03T01:01:28Z")
dealing with botters, isnt your problem. it is CCP’s and the GMs problem. ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/25 "2020-03-03T01:02:41Z")
trying to push your nullsec agenda. nice. love null, but it isnt for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/26 "2020-03-03T01:03:07Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Sabus naari, or balos, just stop damn. He’s his own person ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/27 "2020-03-03T01:03:32Z")
10/10 circlejerk time ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/28 "2020-03-03T01:04:02Z")
oh another highsec hater, carry on ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/29 "2020-03-03T01:04:45Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Hurting new players while they mine is not nice. New players flying Orcas, to be more precise. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > So people should not be allowed to speak of issues that they face? Oh no, each and every one of you should start a thread like this to demand that CCP solves the problem for you. ---
**Author:** ![Kiyanne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kiyanne/32/188773_2.png) [@Kiyanne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kiyanne)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/30 "2020-03-03T01:05:29Z")
> When 4 random, unaffiliated Orcas warp in to your moon ore belt that you paid to extract and start taking all of the ore, then you’ll realize why we need bumping… I agree we need a solution, but I’m not sure bumping is it. ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/31 "2020-03-03T01:05:51Z")
new players flying orcas, cuz they have to, in order to prevent ganks, to be precise… The game is changing. grow up. it isnt all about pvp… soon enough highsec will eventually be a safe haven from trolls like yall trying to kill the game by destroying new players hopes and dreams. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/32 "2020-03-03T01:06:03Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > New players flying Orcas, to be more precise. And retrievers and ventures, I believe you bump those as well. > Oh no, each and every one of you should start a thread like this to demand that CCP solves the problem for you. He has the right to raise the issue with the CSM. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/33 "2020-03-03T01:06:10Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping-analogy-and-why-it-is-griefing/223327/34 "2020-03-03T01:06:23Z")
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