# Bumping **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395 "2018-06-26T22:15:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/485 "2018-08-12T15:22:13Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > i’m talking about my case No you are not. > [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > 11 Bil in a JF without a cyno alt in range and a scout in the choke points deserve to be killed. * * * > [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > 100% safety is possible in certain conditions, that’s not a lie, it’s a lie when you don’t give those conditions and act like they were not present > [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > JF, with cyno alts or fleetmates, have 100% possibility to avoid being ganked. 100%. If you don’t understand that, you have a comprehension problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/486 "2018-08-12T15:27:07Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > no, i speak only for myself. For the 100% safety genius ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/487 "2018-08-12T15:28:10Z")
Do you want a scenario? systems names and stations? dates? It’s possible. It comes with a cost. You might not afford the cost due to your job and the delays and i can understand that. But, it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/488 "2018-08-12T15:34:41Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/f/6f359d92063a5ca6b471cb3f7319402c0741c15e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/489 "2018-08-12T15:38:48Z")
![frog](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/c/acbe52ce2e5479a1ac69608bf3f525b98db36b99.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/490 "2018-08-12T23:11:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > by remaining docked, we all know that. I, as the best bumper in game, am essentially ungankable when I fly a freighter. I know how to scout, I know how to bump. I’m unstoppable. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/491 "2018-08-13T00:12:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > At this point, if you can’t understand that a game where you LOSE when you play is not fun, is not interesting, and should never be considered as a good gameplay choice ; sorry but I can’t do anything for you. In most games I know of, especially the multiplayer variants you can lose. That is kinda part of gaming isn’t it? Now the question is a bit why are you playing a game. If you are playing to just have a good time without the possibility to lose and get upset or without the need to put in some thought or come up with a strategy I’m sure there are “games” which cover that just fine. EVE isn’t one of them. This is a competitive multiplayer sandbox and you can lose all your stuff and get scammed, robed and stabbed in the back by your “friends”. And I like it, it is why I and many other play it. The possibility to lose big thrills me and it makes winning extremely rewarding and exciting because it is not spoon fed to me but I have to put in some work. Also there are hundreds of players who ship their cargo just fine every single day without losing all their stuff. And they don’t ■■■■ their pants just because it isn’t 100% save. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/492 "2018-08-13T07:08:53Z")
But you don’t understand. If we dumb down EVE, it will be filled with people like him. Wouldn’t that be fun? 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/493 "2018-08-13T07:25:19Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > In most games I know of, especially the multiplayer variants you **can** lose. I’ve bolded for you the word that you added and makes you not understand my point. Which, again, is : People are called idiots by someone because they lose a JF. I tell this someone that when you have time constraints, when you have eg a RL or children, you can’t afford to make all the choices that can set the risk of being ganked to 0%. THUS according to HIS opinion, the only way to play correctly(that is, not lose the jf) for people with contraints (that is, actually everybody) is to not undock/log in. So now, you bring that little “you can lose in a multiplayer game” to the guy who says only idiots lose JF. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/494 "2018-08-13T07:42:32Z")
Facepalm… There are no valid reason to send a JF trough Uedama or Niarja or trough the gates around Jita. None. There are freighters for that. If you do this, you deserve to be ganked, just for the 10B killmail. You don’t understand JF mechanics, a carefully planned jump last 30 sec, 3 session timers: undock, cyno, jump, dock. There’s one dangerous situation (wich is optionnal, you can make several runs with a DST): when you jump 1 gate to the highsec system. It’s ONE jump, you need to have eyes in TWO systems, and you cyno at the ready. Sorry, but given there are absolutely no valid reasons to fly a JF trough Niajra Uedama and around Jita, if you lose one here you are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/495 "2018-08-13T07:49:33Z")
- Undock in a JF, press the “I don’t have time for this” button and you can autopilot in perfect safety (including lowsec/nullsec). - Ratting in my titan and hostile tackle appears on grid: I press the “I don’t have time for this” button and the game teleports me to the nearest keepstar. - Reinforce / wardec a structure, press the “I don’t have time for this” button, and the game destroys the structure. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/496 "2018-08-13T08:13:32Z")
And that’s a different opinion from the one you presented before. AFAIK there are more than 2 systems in HS. And there are JF kills in other systems than the two you are talking about. ( in case you find it hard to believe … [https://zkillboard.com/group/902/](https://zkillboard.com/group/902/) ) Now you are gonna tell me that only idiots fly JF in Jita /perimeter and I can understand that. Or that only idiots fly a JF in HS. I totally agree that only idiots play Eve Online ; but you make it sound like you were a special one, so I tell you why you are only special if you have infinite time to play. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/497 "2018-08-13T08:21:18Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > AFAIK there are more than 2 systems in HS. No really? And what are you arguments about jumping mechanic that make it a dangerous operation? Opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/498 "2018-08-13T08:23:23Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > No really? Well I teach you something today : when you say “losing a JF in HS” and “losing a JF in uedama/niarja” are the same thing, you are lying. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/499 "2018-08-13T08:24:18Z")
That’s your argument? ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/500 "2018-08-13T08:25:29Z")
Well, by his own admission he is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/501 "2018-08-13T08:25:56Z")
He won, i can’t compete. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/502 "2018-08-13T08:29:06Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/c/bc39a5b33ce6753b990f667cdc5cea8f9a473e69.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/503 "2018-08-13T09:33:20Z")
Well you learn something new every day. Apparently Uedama and Niarja arent in High Sec. ---
**Author:** ![holdmybeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holdmybeer/32/147512_2.png) [@holdmybeer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/holdmybeer)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/504 "2018-08-13T10:35:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Well I teach you something today : when you say “losing a JF in HS” and “losing a JF in uedama/niarja” are the same thing, you are lying. > 🙂 I think you better just stop writing before you embarrass yourself even further, my friendo. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395.md?page=26)