# Bumping **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395 "2018-06-26T22:15:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/505 "2018-08-13T10:50:22Z")
Shhhh… don’t discourage him, his performance goes well with my 🍿 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/506 "2018-08-13T10:55:07Z")
I think the management of this subforum needs to have a quiet word with the caterer. The popcorn is always very very salty. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/507 "2018-08-13T11:07:17Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > The popcorn is always very very salty. just be aware it’s not the butter that makes it salty. It’s not butter … it’s … well … something else. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/508 "2018-08-13T11:14:51Z")
I can continue, just to see if we can get some more… I don’t mind, i can copy/paste. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/509 "2018-08-13T11:33:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > THUS according to HIS opinion, the only way to play correctly(that is, not lose the jf) for people with contraints (that is, actually everybody) is to not undock/log in. So first, the probability to lose it is very low in the first place. If you don’t take any steps to add security and instead just AFK autopilot that thing your chances of losing your stuff go obviously up. Now no one said that people with time constraints should be able to pilot billions in a capital ship around without escort. You can still take the risk obviously, but just because you have no time to play the game does not mean you are entitled to less risk. You can always pay someone to move that stuff and invest your precious time you actually have into something that is more fitting to your RL requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/510 "2018-08-13T11:44:03Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So first, the probability to lose it is very low in the first place. I already said it in this thread, but how is this related ? The issue is with pilot who call the gankee “idiots” because the caller is arrogant and has not got ganked in his JF yet. He just lacks so much of self esteem that he needs to consider his success is only due to his superior intellect, and can’t imagine luck has its part to play in this. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Now no one said that people with time constraints should be able to pilot billions in a capital ship around without escort. That’s actually exactly what he’s affirming. I’m not even talking about autopilot (lol) or not having a web alt+scout (which actually does not need that much time) , but the constraint to have to jump back to LS and make the HS trip again, expecting there won’t be gankers ready(eg because they just ganked someone else) - or even just wait for your scout to signal “gate clear a shield idiot go ganked” which is what his argument was. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/511 "2018-08-13T12:06:29Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > arrogant Yes sir, i am sir. Still, i won’t have my JF ganked because reasons (or game mechanics). already stated: ![frog](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/c/acbe52ce2e5479a1ac69608bf3f525b98db36b99.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/512 "2018-08-13T12:12:17Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > can’t imagine luck has its part to play in this Waiting hours for having a clear path is what i call patience, not luck. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/513 "2018-08-13T12:14:05Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s actually exactly what he’s affirming Here we go again: a carefully planned jump last 30 sec, 3 session timers: undock, cyno, jump, dock. There’s one dangerous situation (wich is optionnal, you can make several runs with a DST): when you jump 1 gate to the highsec system. It’s ONE jump, you need to have eyes in TWO systems, and you cyno at the ready. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/514 "2018-08-13T12:26:09Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > expecting there won’t be gankers ready What is the part you don’t understand in “carefully planned”? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/515 "2018-08-13T14:48:03Z")
OK, looks I may have misread you. I leave you both to it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/516 "2018-08-13T17:35:38Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > People don’t “deserve” to lose their freighter in HS Gotta love someone arguing an opinion as though it were an objective fact, calling alternative opinions “lies”. Says a lot about the way they think. You have access to objective morality, don’t you, Anderson? The _true_ right and wrong? Everyone else is just blind for not seeing such obvious truths, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/517 "2018-08-13T17:40:59Z")
Isn’t this how arguments are done nowadays? I see this everywhere. I think this is the norm now and if you try to use sound logic you are a weirdo (according to them). 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/518 "2018-08-13T17:47:32Z")
Logic is overrated anyways /s ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/519 "2018-08-13T17:56:17Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > The _true_ right and wrong? Everyone else is just blind for not seeing such obvious truths, huh? If I don’t know what the morally right thing is to do I always ask myself WWJ3D (what would James 315 do). ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/520 "2018-08-13T18:30:00Z")
There’s only one morally right thing to do: ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/521 "2018-08-13T18:37:04Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > People are called idiots by someone because they lose a JF. No. They’re called idiots because of the multiple terribad choices most gankees make before they even undock. A gank doesn’t start when you get a lovebump from a Machariel; it starts the moment someone who has made bad choices undocks. One such example of poor choices would be somebody choosing to put eleventybillion isk in a poorly fitted ship and to compound that bad choice then choosing to go afk in said poorly fitted loot pinata. TL;DR If someone makes piss poor choices the odds of the people who take advantage of poor choices doing their thing increase exponentially. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/522 "2018-08-13T19:52:00Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > No. > > They’re called idiots because of the multiple terribad choices most gankees make before they even undock. yes, he exactly said that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/523 "2018-08-13T20:24:02Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > People are called idiots by someone because they lose a JF. > > yes, he exactly said that. I wasn’t addressing him, I was addressing you. Hence the bit you apparently skipped reading which gives an example of an idiot; I wouldn’t need it if I was addressing the other poster, he already knows what an idiot is. People aren’t idiots if they lose the odd JF over a long period, because Eve is a ■■■■■ and shiznit happens. They’re idiots if they lose JF’s because they constantly make bad choices and don’t learn from their mistakes. A couple of words the poster that you think I was addressing has consistently used are particularly relevant and closely linked. **Planning.** **Knowledge** ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395/524 "2018-08-13T21:07:30Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > People aren’t idiots if they lose the odd JF over a long period, because Eve is a ■■■■■ and shiznit happens. and this exactly my point. Were you willing to reformulate what I was trying to say ? > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I wasn’t addressing him, I was addressing you. And you were adressing me because I was answering him. You can’t have the one without the other. Other wise this is just taking the words out of context, and it is idiot. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bumping/85395.md?page=27)