# Burner mission needs rebalance? What has being going on? **URL:** \ **Category:** Missions\ **Created:** [May 18, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069 "2020-05-18T07:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/41 "2020-05-20T18:53:22Z")
i dont need to OH. but thats because more ooomp from the bling ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/42 "2020-05-20T18:53:31Z")
Ah ok, I did some lev 4’s with BS’s just fine as Alpha, but actually never tried Burners as an Alpha. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/43 "2020-05-20T19:05:53Z")
This was my old fit, and it was OK. Now it’s useless. I also noticed this was now overtanked, but it wasn’t the case before. It was just fine. So there’s sure have been changes on both sides. [Wolf, \*OLD FIT BURNER SANSHA] Small Armor Repairer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Centum C-Type Energized Thermal Membrane Tracking Computer II Small Cap Battery II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Anti-Thermal Pump II Republic Fleet EMP S x7093 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x1663 ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/44 "2020-05-20T19:37:27Z")
the third TE is useless. u will get the most benefit from a web. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/45 "2020-05-24T06:12:19Z")
I just lost two blingy Deimos to the Talos burner mission… I nevr lost them before… I was completely unable to tank also in the second Deimos it was full tank… speed… nothing… pop pop pop… 1B isk to the void… This is absurd… I’m not going to buy a Vagabond. I’m going to quit. If every mission has been buffed to this nonsense… I have no fun anymore… They most definitely need rebalance, or leave command ships enter the sites, and I still have doubt they could tank them… I run once with a T2 Assault frig, to try get back the loot, and I’ve been alpha at 170km distance from them! I made a Sleipnir run with 300hp/s tank, and 80% therm and kinetik res, just to recover my loot and I’ve been popped… So what DPS do they do? 30.000 DPS at 100+ km?? This is madness. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/46 "2020-05-24T13:17:07Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > I made a Sleipnir run with 300hp/s tank, and 80% therm and kinetik res, just to recover my loot and I’ve been popped… just bookmark the wreck, abort mission at agent and get the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/47 "2020-05-24T21:16:48Z")
Thanx, next time I will do it. I did bookmark the wrecks but I didn’t know it was possible. ---
**Author:** ![Mussaschi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mussaschi/32/201599_2.png) [@Mussaschi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mussaschi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/48 "2020-05-28T13:50:36Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > e lev 5 implants and high grade drugs plus a 1B frig to take that thing down? Wanted to do them first time with decent skills in the 90M area combat only and used some of the proposed setups in the web. Got killed within a minute, even with overheated modules hardener and repairers, 400M did go pop in less than 60s. Tried the same on Sissi, with no luck either. Either the promoted fits are no longer valid, or they made them the hell more demanding. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/49 "2020-05-29T04:24:06Z")
Hopefully with the new patch things will get a little better, I will never try Burner Talos again, that’s for sure. I’m pretty scared nonetheless to do any of the older solo-burner missions because of the numerous nerfs-changes. I made the Phantasm in a non-pimped Wolf, but they all aggro more, so yes, all suggested fits, at least for me, ar no longer viable 100%, one should re-test them with the cheaper T2 fits possible. If they fail, it will fail also the pimped fit. T2 fits. I can’t fly Nergal tho. Eve is changing. It’s not they made it more hard, it’s they hadn’t been adjusted after nerfs, they always been max skills top of the line ultimate PVE HS missions available, hard core fly skills. But you can’t speed tank them. Just three or four you can speed tank. This is MY Garmur it hopefully is still valid for TEAM burner. It used to have three caldary navy BCS in the lows, but CPU-wise is no longer viable, maybe Garmur has been nerfed also? Precision gets 35 Km range, so orbiting 30 KM is just fine. Except Jaguar TEAM Burner were the easiest of the lot, with proper kite fit. [Garmur, X-27 APACHE T2 BURNER ALL] [Garmur, X-27 APACHE T2 TEAM ALTERNATE] Ballistic Control System II Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System Pro-Nav Compact Missile Guidance Enhancer 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Peripheral Compact Target Painter Peripheral Compact Target Painter Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Missile Range Script x1 Missile Precision Script x1 Scourge Precision Light Missile x159 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x1659 Inferno Light Missile x200 Inferno Precision Light Missile x1292 Mjolnir Precision Light Missile x1242 Inferno Fury Light Missile x1991 Suggested fit uses polarized Rockets, but wrecking shots are not a rare thing, and I’d never orbit nearer 30Km, and is quite expansive… 35km to be on the safer side, use Navy and move even further away, 40 or 50km to be ultra-safe. Polarized Javelins Rockets fit\* vs My Fury Lights 34km vs 35km - 190 DPS vs 150 DPS. Fly Safe. \*My Simul was made with my Rigs, not suggested fly range fit. I’d stay even 60km away from the Jaguar. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/50 "2020-06-10T09:32:07Z")
I just made my first Eve online video, lol, it sounds pretty bad!. Done after June rebalance patch. I found it pretty hard. There is alternative fit that jam one of the Navitas online, Kestrel T1/T2. Maybe that fit is also ok now in 2020? This was barely ok… 20 min vid…! I just wanted to prove with this fit Burner Team is doable (HIgh skills required) in Alpha The polybolos really made the difference, without them, I was not able to break Navitas tank! Resolution is shitty, orbit at 25 Km, One range script, two precision scripts and Guristas Novas. I was pretty curious about the polarized rocket fit… I took a chance with the Hookbill! Caldari Navy Hookbill Polarized rockets fit ML-EKP ‘Polybolos’ Ballistic Control System ML-EKP ‘Polybolos’ Ballistic Control System 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer 1MN Civilian Afterburner - \*inactive Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/a/ea1d2594f528872f78736911c93549df499d1f57.jpeg "POLARIZED HOOKBILL BURNER TEAM ENYO") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfyaYeYjkME) ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/51 "2020-06-10T11:44:37Z")
sorry but 19 min is way too long. you can trust the polarized garmur fit if you orbit the burner @ 20 except the jaguar. for the jaguar i swap a guidance comp for a sensor booster and orbit @ 30 with javelins. i got zero wrecking shots @ 30 in years. [Garmur, Garmur fit] Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Range Script Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Range Script Peripheral Compact Target Painter Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I this fit is 10 m cheaper than your hookbill stuff and has 240 dps cold with free choice of ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/52 "2020-06-10T13:27:40Z")
> [@Ploing](#): > > i got zero wrecking shots @ 30 in years. I got one. Not kidding !! also faction TP increases the damage by, like, a lot. need to check the real DPS, but on my toon with perfect skills I can apply perfectly only with faction TP. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/53 "2020-06-10T14:01:37Z")
wut 😮 yeah faction tp is a nice option too, but he wants to stay cheap as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/54 "2020-06-10T14:28:05Z")
yeah I was like “WTF WTS WTF ?” too. I double checked and was like 31km from it. I was afraid to have been subject of bug with complete loss of control. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/55 "2020-06-14T09:27:39Z")
The fit yes, because polybolos costs 20M, but Hookbill vs Garmur is 45M difference. 19 min yes, too long even for me. I could do it in 10Min next time, 10 minutes were wasted orbiting too far without precision scripts. I wish I could fit a TP on the Hookbill… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/56 "2020-06-14T09:29:41Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > 10 minutes were wasted > orbiting too far without precision scripts. with non-polarized you have more range, so you can shoot it from further without scripts. IMO the gain from polarized is not enough unless you already have perfect application. Sometimes it may even be better to just use rage rather than going polarized, depending on your actual application. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/57 "2020-06-14T09:32:05Z")
With Garmur, yes, it is possible With Hookbill… no chance to break that tank without polarized! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/58 "2020-06-14T09:51:26Z")
hu ? yes. You can break it with a griffin, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/59 "2020-06-14T10:47:07Z")
you will always have problems if u dont try suggestions. the solutions where told. also try again the testserver. click on the hamburger menu in the upper right corner of the launcher. click server list. click play on singularity. yes the garmur is surprisingly expensive. but its just one ■■■■■■■ mission to get the costs. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069/60 "2020-06-14T11:05:40Z")
Well I kinda followed suggestion for the Burner Talos fit… that did not go very well… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burner-mission-needs-rebalance-what-has-being-going-on/242069.md?page=4)