# Burst Jammer replacement **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [March 14, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514 "2025-03-14T08:03:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/1 "2025-03-14T08:03:41Z")
well with the recent Burst Jammer Nerf, what would you fit instead into a smaller ship … like an Astero for WH surveys the burst jammer did safe the ship almost evey time it got jumped on, (never lost one actually) but i’m a but clueless what other countermessures i could use now. since Drones are pretty much useless, and ny other modules requires a target lock. cheers ---
**Author:** ![Oistes\_nena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oistes_nena/32/441066_2.png) [@Oistes\_nena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oistes_nena)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/2 "2025-03-14T10:19:12Z")
Can you link your fantasy Astero with ECM? Is it like that Astero with warp core stabilizers? The reason you got TARGET is because you’re doing it wrong. Maybe it’s a bad fit, maybe it’s poor execution, maybe it’s just bad mechanics. It’s like those miners calling for Concord on grid with a corvette; what you have to do is dont AFK and keep an eye on your accounts, the same goes for the Astero. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/3 "2025-03-14T11:40:13Z")
> [@Oistes\_nena](#): > > Can you link your fantasy Astero with ECM? whats “fantasy” about putting a burst jammer in the mids of an astero? ---
**Author:** ![Oistes\_nena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oistes_nena/32/441066_2.png) [@Oistes\_nena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oistes_nena)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/4 "2025-03-14T11:48:40Z")
link the fit. ---
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/5 "2025-03-14T15:28:09Z")
There is nothing magical using a ECM burst. also i’m pretty sure i specifically wrote that **OTHER** modules require target lock. and was asking for a recommendation to replace the functionality. ---
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/6 "2025-03-14T15:38:29Z")
> [@Oistes\_nena](#): > > link the fit. here you go ```auto [Astero, ...] Burst Jammer I ``` ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/7 "2025-03-14T16:50:10Z")
> [@Oistes\_nena](#): > > link the fit. This one’s probably the most representative of Burst Jammer’s fits 💩 > **[Manticore | Burst Jammer | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/114401196/)** > > Burst Jammer (Dominion Guild) lost their Manticore in Osoggur (Heimatar) Total Value: 34,123,459.59 ISK About the astero that fits a burst jammer module, it cannot be linked because such a fit does not exist. ---
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/8 "2025-03-14T17:24:58Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > it cannot be linked because such a fit does not exist. yes, which is the whole point of the topic… as the fit does not work anymore since 29 hours or so 😉 ![Screenshot_226](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/8/3/b834213cdfa221c624616dcaf1e6cadacc80a088.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/9 "2025-03-15T00:06:32Z")
Hmmm is that meant to be serious? T1 mod on a 100m isk hull? Cap battery? Armor repair without DC, membranes or coatings despite a low slot being empty and fitting not used up? No tackle on a combat explorer? No analyzer, either? It’s not hard to design a meme scorpion that has more scan strength then that astero and has a tackle nevertheless and an analyzer and a burst jammer and enough smartbombs to blow up whatever a t1 burst jammer could get rid of. Oh, the scorpion’s still allowed to have burst jammers, in fact it is even bonused for it. ---
**Author:** ![Oistes\_nena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oistes_nena/32/441066_2.png) [@Oistes\_nena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oistes_nena)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/10 "2025-03-15T07:32:11Z")
thank you, your fantasy fit its amazing. 🤣 The bad news: CCP doesn’t balance modules for Jam with an Astero when a Catalyst wants to kill your mining ship. ---
**Author:** ![Binya\_Min](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/binya_min/32/453319_2.png) [@Binya\_Min](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Binya_Min)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/11 "2025-03-15T20:40:17Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/9/ef95b8c5a58e2dd10a0cd4ef56e76b2a6b968a8a.jpeg) Used to run this with a Burst Jammer II in the empty high slot, using a Scan Acquisition Array now after the nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/12 "2025-03-16T03:52:43Z")
Comments about the Astero aside, it’s still is a bad nerf. Having a burst jam saved my butt in a WH many times. Guess not any more. 😪 ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/13 "2025-03-17T12:50:31Z")
There are some ways of defense: 1. Local Chat / Dscan 2. Warp Core Stab = casual solo pirate warping in with a T1 cruiser 3. Burst Jammer = close range 4. ECM Drones = single enemy, fails mostly The Burst Jammer has saved my mining barges a couple of times allready. Without having this defense I am forced to play it more safe and basically rely more on local to just warp off if somebody enters. Without it, I don’t really wanna mine in lowsec anymore, because it’s the only way to properly defend against cloaky hunters. Warp Core Stab + ECM burst, had defenses for long point and scram on your ships. Now there is no way to get away from a Loki decloaking right next to you. All lowsec miners I knew had an ECM Burst Jammer fitted. Especially people that mine with multiple barges. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/14 "2025-03-17T12:51:02Z")
what did that poor Astero do to you that you should treat her so bad? it’s a wonderful hull. fit it properly, have some situational awareness and she’ll do right by you. ---
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/15 "2025-03-18T11:44:11Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Having a burst jam saved my butt in a WH many times. mine too, i really have no clue what the trolls are about .. it worked flawlesly. ---
**Author:** ![FreeMan\_FM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freeman_fm/32/453370_2.png) [@FreeMan\_FM](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FreeMan_FM)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/16 "2025-04-08T11:54:52Z")
I support it, the CCP simply removed the chance mechanic without providing anything in return. It became no longer interesting to play… ---
**Author:** ![Oistes\_nena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oistes_nena/32/441066_2.png) [@Oistes\_nena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oistes_nena)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/17 "2025-04-14T07:03:43Z")
From a mobile depot? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 or a velator? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Samuel\_Owens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samuel_owens/32/397655_2.png) [@Samuel\_Owens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samuel_Owens)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/18 "2025-04-14T14:04:43Z")
Them removing burst jammers from mining ships was huge for me. Every single mining ship I flew into dangerous space had a burst jammer. I can’t see why mining barges and exhumers aren’t able to use them still. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/19 "2025-04-15T11:20:52Z")
yes, this is huge… if you have a fleet of mining barges, there is an actual chance to get away from a scram Loki… So now if there is a unknown pilot in system that could fly a Loki you NEED to dock up. Everything else would be irresponsible… you cannot gamble with the risk “yeah maybe he can get one but maybe we can also just warp out if we are lucky and the burst jammers hit” ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514/20 "2025-04-15T11:38:35Z")
You don’t ‘need’ to dock up, there are various ways to counter such a Loki: - combat fit instead of max yield, surprise them and kill a bunch of players who thought to drop on weak miners - a cloaked Falcon on grid to jam the Loki and let the fleet get away - a cloaked covops on grid to cyno in your own response fleet Or bring targeted ECM and ECM drones to do what ECM burst used to do. If the mining fleet is large enough the hunter cannot target you all, so the few barges that were not targeted and scrammed can jam the hunter and let the entire group warp off. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jammer-replacement/479514.md?page=2)