# Burst jamming Cancer **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [January 29, 2021, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532 "2021-01-29T07:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Theodarum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodarum/32/479608_2.png) [@Theodarum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodarum)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/26 "2021-02-02T08:04:02Z")
Eve is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/27 "2021-02-02T15:09:32Z")
> [@Hoder\_Daynari](#): > > Please bring this lovely ship into a fleet fight and then try to SRP it ::::: 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/28 "2021-02-02T16:28:40Z")
Removed some posts. Play nice with each other or thread will be closed. ---
**Author:** ![Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvyn_nightshade/32/455724_2.png) [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marvyn_Nightshade)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2021, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/29 "2021-02-07T07:59:20Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > > > Unfortunately CCP [has shown](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/298) that if you complain long and loud enough they _will_ change things which have perfectly reasonable counterplay options, even if that means a number of previously useful ships become useless during the process. > > To be honest, I do think that CCP’s change of ECM modules was not a bad one. These modules are still incredibly effective in certain scenarios, just not oppressive anymore in 1v1 scenarios. > > I do agree that CCP should do a balance pass on the ships that were heavily hit by this change though. It’s a shame some ships were rendered useless by this change. Maybe _some_ of these ships could get the old ECM functionality back as a ship bonus, where the enemy ship loses all targets instead of keeping the source of ECM. Or something else that makes those ships useful again. Yeah. I think there might have been other, better nerfs available. Such as, for example : making it so your own ship’s turret/missile accuracy plummets to zero while you have an ECM active. (So they can’t hit you, but you can’t hit them either.) Something like that. Rather than make it completely useless for solo (but fully as useful as ever in gangs.) ---
**Author:** ![Hoder\_Daynari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hoder_daynari/32/384125_2.png) [@Hoder\_Daynari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hoder_Daynari)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/30 "2021-02-18T09:05:07Z")
That’s not the point, the point is that you can fit this on bubble immune, instawarping interceptor, thus committing to literally nothing, not putting you at any risk, but you do get to counter a whole group of ships that are trying to toast a node. Either increase align time by a few seconds if you fit this, or remove bubble immunity if you fit it, or remove it after you fire it. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/31 "2021-02-18T11:11:07Z")
Maybe that whole group of ships trying to toast the node could bring an instalocking frigate to catch the interceptors. And remote sensor boosts to decrease the effectiveness of those ECM bursts. And place your toasters far away from eachother so that only one is bursted at a time. Wait, I’ve said this before. ---
**Author:** ![Hoder\_Daynari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hoder_daynari/32/384125_2.png) [@Hoder\_Daynari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hoder_Daynari)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/32 "2021-02-18T13:28:26Z")
Ah yes, let’s bring 1 extra sebo ship per toaster, a bunch of instalocking inties (that get burst jammed anyway) for 5 burst jamming instawarping inties. Oh wait, your instalocking inties don’t do anything since these inties warp \< 2 seconds, so that’s already useless. And you now brought 10 useless ships & players to a fleet to counter 5 enemy ships, and the enemy ships aren’t even dead, they’re doing the same. You only increased your “ods”. Like, can you stop replying to this if you clearly do not understand the issue or have any idea of how this warfare works. Nobody likes this game mechanic, literally nobody. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/33 "2021-02-18T14:06:53Z")
This thread already contains a remote sebo fit that can boost all your 5 toasters at once. And you just need one instalocker to catch interceptors one by one, you don’t need 5. So that’s 2 extra ships, not 10. If you can manage to bring 5 toasters and I assume a small fleet to defend them, you surely must be able to bring these two ships as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/34 "2021-02-19T01:23:33Z")
Honestly, ECM bursts should be removed for no other reason than their ability to generate extreme lag. Consider the following scenario: 100 Tristans fitted with ECM bursts, all within burst range of each other. Each Tristan is hitting 599 ships + drones with each ECM Burst cycle. **That’s _59,900 Server Calls_ every 30 seconds.** In heavy TiDi, modules like the ECM Burst can add huge amounts of additional server lag. s: If you wanted to crash a server node, that’s probably the fastest way to do it. Not that there’s ever a situation in which you’d want to crash a server, nosireebob, that would _never_ happen… /s ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/35 "2021-02-19T08:06:06Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Honestly, ECM bursts should be removed for no other reason than their ability to generate extreme lag. Honestly, D-scan should be removed for no other reason than the ability to generate extreme lag. In a huge fight, every ship can call upon the location of all other ships within 14AU, without _module or cooldown needed_! At least an ECM burst jammer takes a lot of capacitor, takes a mid slot, has a 30s cooldown and has very limited range. D-scan however has none of those limits and is available to _every_ ship in such huge battles. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/36 "2021-02-19T09:17:05Z")
Simple fix: Give ECM burst an actual power grid requirement too big for a ceptor to handle. That way the Bursty bois get to keep their burst, and the but ECM burst nullified cepters are bad bois get their bursty boi ceptor curtailed. Because yeah… sure you can kill them, but they are kinda lame, too. Let’s be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/37 "2021-02-19T13:09:31Z")
They are lame because they are nullified, not because they have a burst jammer. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/38 "2021-02-20T03:28:29Z")
I think that’s a bit of a false equivalence. D-Scan is pulling down information that is already known and calculated. ECM Bursts are generating new calculations. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/39 "2021-02-20T08:36:30Z")
They’re lame for a lot of reasons. Nullified, near insta warp, minimal commitment, and just plain annoying. Not many other ‘ships’ you can stick a dozen dudes in and have as much effect for 30m isk. A good bomb squad is about the nearest equivalent, if you nail all your bombs. ---
**Author:** ![Hoder\_Daynari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hoder_daynari/32/384125_2.png) [@Hoder\_Daynari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hoder_Daynari)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/40 "2021-03-17T16:29:03Z")
Yeah… About your statements, seems like you were dead wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/41 "2021-03-17T17:14:44Z")
Nope. I was still right. There _is_ a lot of counterplay against burst jamming interceptors. But it seems CCP wanted to offer even more counterplay. And I’m OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/42 "2021-03-17T20:45:51Z")
Looks like this will be addressed in QOL update: “Additionally, fitting a Burst Jammer module will disable interdiction nullification, making it less oppressive when fit to nullified Interceptors.” > **[Quality of Life Updates | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/quality-of-life-updates)** > > Multiple Jump Clones in stations, Burst Jammer update and more ---
**Author:** ![0Lona\_0ltor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0lona_0ltor/32/336276_2.png) [@0Lona\_0ltor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0Lona_0ltor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/43 "2021-03-18T13:13:15Z")
Every major war and ccp steps in with bans & meta changes to get the desired narrative it wants. Sentry drone assignment alpha, 0lona remembers. This time Papi has as many subs as you goons, so don’t expect CCP to smite your enemy anymore. Meat shielding with nubs won’t help you either. Papi, stop crying about ecm burst & fit some insta lock blappers, smart bombs or spread your entosis. Oh look your subscription tributes have granted you a game change, well done. ---
**Author:** ![Hoder\_Daynari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hoder_daynari/32/384125_2.png) [@Hoder\_Daynari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hoder_Daynari)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/44 "2021-03-18T14:15:37Z")
You taste salty. It was a shitty game mechanic with no real counterplay that could be implemented at an extremely low cost and perfect by botters / input broadcasters. As such this wasn’t even marked as a gameplay change, it’s literally called “Quality of Life”. Now go spew your salt in Irmalin local or so, it’s the new real delve for goons. ---
**Author:** ![0Lona\_0ltor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0lona_0ltor/32/336276_2.png) [@0Lona\_0ltor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0Lona_0ltor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532/45 "2021-03-18T14:24:53Z")
If you read my post I lambast both goons & Papi for doing the exact samething. They have leveraged their subscription force to effect a game change that did have a counter it was just a troublesome one. I am sorry if you were being input broadcast or bot welped, then no change is needed just bans for, oh wait. Hahha, ccp tackle bottinng, what was I thinking. They’ll treat 20k symptoms before daring to remove the cause of your issue. We needed a ban for botting & isboxing, we got a ban for ecm. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/burst-jamming-cancer/292532.md?page=3)