# Call for a Vote of No Confidence in Minmatar Ambassador Keitan Yun **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180 "2023-02-18T23:39:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/23 "2023-02-20T16:15:05Z")
> [@Kunta\_Keinte](#): > > The idea that we must have a representative in CONCORD to prevent being walked over by the older [sic other] powers is a flawed one. Yeah, so, remember where I said ‘not helping your case’? Good example, cuz this does exactly that: not help. If we’re not there, then not only are we left unprotected _in that regard_, but the Federation is now at a disadvantage, 2:1, when it comes to decisions about things like ‘hey, the Empire wants CONCORD to levy sanctions against the Fed and Republic for not trading with them after Kahah’. And while they _can_ veto, that’s not a thing you want to do constantly, or your rivals quickly start maneuvering you so that vetoing the thing you want to kill _also_ hurts you. > [@Kunta\_Keinte](#): > > Instead, we should focus on building alliances and coalitions with other like-minded factions Great idea! Name a few. > [@Kunta\_Keinte](#): > > By holding them accountable and calling out their shortcomings It’s not a shortcoming. Again, the system you’ve decided we shouldn’t participate in is what keeps trillions of people from dying as a result, mostly, of us and the Empire feuding. And if those trillions _do_ start to die, most of them will be Minmatar, on _both_ sides. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/24 "2023-02-20T18:41:29Z")
For the record, when I said older, I intended to say exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/25 "2023-02-21T03:57:05Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yeah, so, remember where I said ‘not helping your case’? Good example, cuz this does exactly that: not help. It’s not like you help your own case. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/26 "2023-02-24T16:29:20Z")
Does OP still think that Ambassador Keitan Yun is ineffective in light of today’s news? I for one am pleasantly surprised that the Caldari’s results supported Yun’s claims. I would have thought that the Caldari would provide cover for the Amarr, but we see that relations between the 2 are fraying. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/27 "2023-02-24T16:56:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Given the gravity of the EDENCOM-CONCORD spying row and the strain it has placed on relations between the State and Empire, there is much speculation that Caldari and Minmatar diplomacy may be looking to effect a realignment in the structure of interstellar alliances. And wouldn’t _that_ just re-write future freakin’ history. ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/28 "2023-02-24T22:42:32Z")
Given the recent news it’s probably true what’s said about that in foreign affairs there exists no such thing as permanent allies or enemies, only permanent interests. It would be pretty funny if the Federation and Empire take off the facade and when given the choice between ideological consistency or the pursuit of power choose power and ally with each other even at the cost of being called hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/29 "2023-02-25T02:50:21Z")
> [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > there exists no such thing as permanent allies or enemies, only permanent interests. Not even those. > [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > when given the choice between ideological consistency or the pursuit of power choose power and ally with each other Just suggesting this indicates you have no idea what the pursuit of power is. Where the Federation and Empire are concerned, the pursuit of power is _only_ in respect to one another. Either one could roll over either of the smaller powers, if they set their minds to it and were willing to pay the price. It’s the other expansionist power where they can’t afford to lose relative ground. Thus, they will never ally with one another, because under no circumstances will they take action that might _empower_ the other. It has nothing to do with ideological consistency, and _everything_ to do with power. ---
**Author:** ![Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sevrailan_tian_valirieux/32/360697_2.png) [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sevrailan_Tian_Valirieux)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/30 "2023-02-25T04:29:30Z")
I’ll admit I’ve never had much interest in chasing power so I’ve never had much need to understand it. I just think political leadership in the Federation and Empire is corrupt and self-serving enough that an alliance of convenience isn’t wholly out of the question. I mean, Federal and Imperial self-interest was the whole reason CONCORD was created in the first place. An alliance would just be taking that self-interest further. Get room to deal with each other’s “rebels” while deferring confrontation to some future date after. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/31 "2023-02-25T05:21:58Z")
The thing is, the Federation and the Empire are the 2 largest, most powerful Empires in New Eden. It’s just not in their self interest to ally unless someone bigger came in to threaten both and require their combined efforts to have a chance at surviving. The only way that is happening, is if Terrans suddenly made their way back. ---
**Author:** ![Kunta\_Keinte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kunta_keinte/32/384901_2.png) [@Kunta\_Keinte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kunta_Keinte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/32 "2023-02-25T06:41:18Z")
**The recent revelations of Amarr spying only serve to reinforce my concerns about the motivations and actions of Ambassador Yun and the Amarr government.** It is clear that their efforts to gather intelligence and undermine the Caldari State have further destabilized an already fragile diplomatic situation. As a member of the Minmatar people, I believe it is essential to prioritize our own interests and security in the face of such threats. We cannot afford to be complacent or naive in our dealings with the Amarr and their representatives. **It is imperative that we take a strong and principled stance in defense of our sovereignty and independence.** Ultimately, it is my hope that the Caldari State and allies of the Minmatar people will stand with us in this fight against oppression and injustice. We must remain vigilant and united in the face of these challenges if we hope to secure a better future for ourselves and future generations of Minmatar. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/33 "2023-02-25T07:54:42Z")
Keitan Yun, honestly, has one of the hardest jobs in the cluster. CONCORD is constructed in a way that _more or less_ guarantees deadlock between the powers on an overwhelming number of extremely pressing issues that people care about. Because of the realities of the cluster, the Republic _needs_ to send a delegate to the Assembly in order to be able to assert diplomatic leverage on the other powers in a multitude of circumstances. But _because_ of the ‘status quo’ nature of CONCORD mentioned by Elsebeth and Arrendis spoke about here, it’s _really_ easy for passionate individuals to attribute the weakness of CONCORD on certain issues as Ambassdor Yun’s personal failings, which I think is entirely unfair. I also think that with today’s news, Yun comes off as looking better than ever, honestly. I’m not quite sure what stances Yun is allegedly advocating for that aren’t “strong and principled” or “in defense of sovereignty and independence.” It’ll be interesting to see what’s touched upon in the Caldari-Minmatar Security Conference. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/34 "2023-02-25T13:54:51Z")
> [@Kunta\_Keinte](#): > > my concerns about the motivations and actions of Ambassador Yun and the Amarr government. You realize that this construction implies Yun was working _for_ the Amarr, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kunta\_Keinte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kunta_keinte/32/384901_2.png) [@Kunta\_Keinte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kunta_Keinte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/35 "2023-02-25T18:04:57Z")
How else would you describe the maidenless behavior where he burst out in front of Matari’s enemies and let spill all that we know? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/36 "2023-02-25T19:45:53Z")
So if someone commits a crime against another, we should just remain silent? All he did was accuse the Amarr of spying on the Caldari. The Amarrian response is what was childless. Exposing a crime isn’t spilling secrets. Yun’s actions lead to the Caldari to look into the accusations and they found merit in them, and as a result the relations between the Caldari and the Amarr have been frayed and the Republic’s position has been strengthened, leading to talks with the Caldari. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/37 "2023-02-25T20:36:57Z")
> [@Kunta\_Keinte](#): > > where he burst out in front of Matari’s enemies and let spill all that we know? First, I would say that you have _no idea_ what ‘we know’. Nor do I. That means that while we cannot say with any surety that he did _not_ ‘spill all that we know’, we _equally_ cannot make any credible claim that he _did_. Unless you are claiming to have access to all of our sensitive intelligence? Second, Yun is an experienced diplomat, acting on behalf, and at the direction, of the Tribal Council. He knows what he is and is not authorized to reveal. Moreover, he is pushing _their_ agenda, not his own. An Ambassador who goes around pushing only his own agenda gets recalled so quickly, you wouldn’t have _time_ to whine about him. The fact that he has been in his job for so very long indicates that he knows what he’s doing, and the Council approves. Please, stop being feckless quite so _loudly_. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/call-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-minmatar-ambassador-keitan-yun/396180/38 "2023-05-26T20:37:32Z")
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