# Came back yesterday leaving again today **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 5, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511 "2021-05-05T15:22:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/84 "2021-05-06T07:35:36Z")
destroyers are glass cannons , they have like 6k ehp you are saying they have to cost more because ganks but doesn’t make any sense in normal use like FW my destroyer t1 fitted costs like 25mil ish in amarr , thats expensive to lose 1 or 2 per log in ![Captura de Tela 2021-05-06 às 04.36.12](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/0/3/103fe5db64469a55bbb1fa56f1c05ec5e059fca2.png) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/85 "2021-05-06T07:36:02Z")
Damage varies between different ships within a tier considerably, as ships also have other ways to differentiate themselves aside from damage. The material jump between tiers of ships loosely follows a 1:5 ratio. If you make destroyers approach the pricing of cruisers (jumping from 2.5M to 10M+, with cruisers being at around the 12-13M point), then destroyers will lose **all** utility as a ship class, because for just a tiny bit more money you can get something with much more resilience. And from a practical perspective, raising destroyer costs from 2.5M to 10M wouldn’t have any tangible effect on ganking, but _would_ severely affect the utility of destroyers in all other forms of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/86 "2021-05-06T07:41:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > but _would_ severely affect the utility of destroyers in all other forms of PvP. yes for 50 mil i buy a omen fitted i mean , its less than 2 destroyers \*fitted and is better in every way if the destroyer get expensive no point to using edit: btw its beautiful “Noticing the alarming increase in Minmatar frigate fleets, the Imperial Navy made its plans for the Coercer, a vessel designed specifically to seek and destroy the droves of fast-moving frigate rebels.” thats the true purpose of the destroyers , im kinda mad 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/87 "2021-05-06T07:52:39Z")
Whether you’re in favour of ganking or not (I personally don’t mind at all) one has to admit that the damage potential of destroyers is just too good, getting ~700 dps from a Cata is entirely ridiculous. Lowering the dps while increasing tank or utility means “normal use” isn’t really affected that much if at all, while ganking with them (where you don’t care about tank or utility) is made less easy. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/88 "2021-05-06T07:57:43Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > Whether you’re in favour of ganking or not (I personally don’t mind at all) one has to admit that the damage potential of destroyers is just too good, getting ~700 dps from a Cata is entirely ridiculous. Lowering the dps while increasing tank or utility means “normal use” isn’t really affected that much if at all, while ganking with them (where you don’t care about tank or utility) is made less easy. again you are thinking about your little bubble in other uses destroyers are balanced they are glass cannons but loose to well fitted pirate frigates and t2 frigates , and other destroyers even t1 frigates/and navy could win in the right hands BTW im no ganker i lost hundreds of destroyers doing faction warfare pvp its like wen i said that the assault damage control was OP in low sec, no one listened to me here im glad the DEVS can see out of the echo chamber and nerfed them ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/89 "2021-05-06T08:02:30Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > you are thinking about your little bubble I don’t have a bubble. You’re the one in your FW bubble. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/90 "2021-05-06T08:02:40Z")
to be clear, ONLY ORCAS , FREIGHTERS AND OTHER SLOOOOOOW SHIPS HAVE TO FEAR destroyers the guys lost his legion because he is bad just use your prop mod get some range and kill the destroyers with propper armed ships i killed 2 HECATES with a t1 omen … i can murder like at least 5 t1 destroyers with a 50 million cruiser edit: > [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > I don’t have a bubble. You’re the one in your FW bubble. you are not used to ships with , uhhh, guns ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/91 "2021-05-06T08:05:22Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > Lowering the dps while increasing tank or utility means “normal use” isn’t really affected that much if at all Then you’ll be left with a slightly modified, more agile cruiser. Essentially you’d be nerfing ship variety to accomplish a secondary goal, the merits of which are entirely questionable, because as I said before, if gankers have to use cruisers to gank instead, there will be no tangible change in the ganking environment. Maybe sub-100M haulers won’t die as often, but the big valuable targets, and the mining barges getting killed out of principle, will continue dying at current rates. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/92 "2021-05-06T08:07:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > the merits of which are entirely questionable If something is used a lot it’s probably too good and needs rebalancing, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/93 "2021-05-06T08:08:14Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > you are not used to ships with , uhhh, guns I know enough about them to state that your omen fit is below par. Switch to Quads, allows you to fit more tank as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/94 "2021-05-06T08:09:15Z")
If we are talking bubbles, what about salvagers? While I prefer a semi-dedicated Heron for it, a destroyer is more efficent for speed on large fields. Its probably their biggest use tbh. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/95 "2021-05-06T08:09:47Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > I know enough about them to state that your omen fit is below par. Switch to Quads, allows you to fit more tank as well. space Jordan Peterson used to say "get a killboard before trying to change the world " ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/96 "2021-05-06T08:09:49Z")
Heron is probably the best easy access ninja salvager, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/97 "2021-05-06T08:13:16Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > If something is used a lot it’s probably too good and needs rebalancing, wouldn’t you say? The next-in-line option would get used just as much. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/98 "2021-05-06T08:13:22Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > What’s even the point of this post? To show off to everyone that you made one of the most basic of mistakes in EVE Online by going afk and not paying attention? Then somehow implying that’s causing player counts to hit “all time lows”? How does that even make any sense? It doesn’t. I agree. Player goes afk on gate, Player gets ganked, Player comes whining on forum… It’s a story as old as EVE. > [@Dark\_Reignz](#): > > anything gets ganked in high sec Next time, bring a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/99 "2021-05-06T08:14:56Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The next-in-line option would get used just as much. That’s ok, I’m sure you won’t mind then. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/100 "2021-05-06T08:14:57Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > your omen fit is below par. ![Captura de Tela 2021-05-06 às 05.12.47](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/7/2/d72c4e4b24f00c2a104729ecb92b5871a7890424.png) my sub par omen can kill 2 t3 destroyers … in the same F minute as i said , my sub par omen can kill 5 t1 destroyers ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/101 "2021-05-06T08:15:36Z")
> [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > The next-in-line option would get used just as much. > > That’s ok, I’m sure you won’t mind then. As I explained before, I mind it for other reasons that are not related to suicide-ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/102 "2021-05-06T08:16:01Z")
If you can live without an AB go scram, double web, quads, another plate and a reactive. See what happens. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/came-back-yesterday-leaving-again-today/309511/103 "2021-05-06T08:16:32Z")
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