# Can players who aren't active have strong opinions about Eve? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630 "2019-06-25T10:53:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/23 "2019-06-25T16:36:55Z")
just like arseholes, everyones got one. 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/24 "2019-06-25T16:49:19Z")
> [@Shai\_Hulud](#): > > Saying your opinion only matters while your account is active makes about as much sense as “if you don’t vote you can’t complain”. Often repeated, almost always wrong. I’m trying to understand your logic. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/25 "2019-06-25T16:56:40Z")
Maybe not being active is the passive/aggressive way of expressing your opinion. As in, “Fix your ■■■■■■■ game and I’ll re-sub!” ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/26 "2019-06-25T17:02:59Z")
Lol, we all know that’s not gonna happen. The worst thing for me as someone who feels strongly about the game is that you know inside that your opinions don’t matter one bit to the Devs, so you feel powerless, that’s why you eventually quit. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/27 "2019-06-25T17:19:52Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > So this morning I wondered if it’s possible for a player who isn’t really active nowadays to have strong opinions about the game Strong opinions? Yes. Valuable opinions? No. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/28 "2019-06-25T17:27:19Z")
You should just send me your stuff 🙂 Clearly you have figured out that EVE is not the game you THOUGHT it was, it is the game we all told you it was. Throw another fish back into The River Fodder. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Shai\_Hulud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shai_hulud/32/279251_2.png) [@Shai\_Hulud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shai_Hulud)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/29 "2019-06-25T18:15:51Z")
Don’t think too hard… you will hurt yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/30 "2019-06-25T23:48:45Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > On that basis, for me, what former players say, and particularly why they are leaving (and what would bring them back) is far more interesting than any other group. Going from what some ex-players I know have said, then as long as there is surprise PVP then they’re not coming back. So perhaps there are two main groups: Those for whom there is too much pvp and those who feel the game is too soft now. And they are diametrically opposed, so who do you listen to? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/31 "2019-06-25T23:51:40Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > And they are diametrically opposed, so who do you listen to? That’s where the smart people at CCP need to make a call if it’s a 50:50 split. I don’t think it is a 50:50 split, but that may be due to my own biases reading certain opinions more than others. So ultimately, it’s what CCP would see on the whole, including from the voices of former loyal customers who have temporarily won EVE (and hopefully not permanently). ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/32 "2019-06-26T00:05:39Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Going from what some ex-players I know have said, then as long as there is surprise PVP then they’re not coming back. > So perhaps there are two main groups: > Those for whom there is too much pvp > and those who feel the game is too soft now. > > And they are diametrically opposed, so who do you listen to? That’s not hard, you listen to the ones paying you not the ones who quit. ---
**Author:** ![BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boingboingboingboing_boingobbleoi/32/203433_2.png) [@BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING_BOINGOBBLEOI)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/33 "2019-06-26T00:13:11Z")
So listen to the minority and not the majority. I know eve is a niche game, but you have to make some concession to popular opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/34 "2019-06-26T00:15:33Z")
No you don’t. You play to your audience. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/35 "2019-06-26T00:49:14Z")
And because you can’t please everyone, you pick who your audience is. I wonder if CCP is changing, every so slowly, who their desired audience is. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/36 "2019-06-26T00:54:23Z")
Why do that? In that world they have to keep coming up with content patches every few months, lot of work, pressure, stress. The way it is now we kill each other and call it content, they kick back and watch. Why would anyone want to screw that up? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/37 "2019-06-26T02:29:12Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I wonder if CCP is changing, every so slowly, who their desired audience is. I think they’ve changed from developer driven to business driven. It’s kind of a natural progression from the original developer group who set out to make a game, to a multinational business that needs to maintain itself. In the process, business needs now have higher priority. Means that whatever the future of development, it will be in the direction of meeting what the non-developer parts of the business say are the requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/38 "2019-06-26T04:49:28Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Is it possible to have strong opinions about the game when you are not an active player? I don’t believe that it is has to be an active player logging into the game more frequent than someone logging into the game one or twice a month. The larger picture is the most important factor and knowing the community what they want would hold the stronger opinions about the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sordina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina/32/148069_2.png) [@Sordina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/39 "2019-06-26T07:34:02Z")
And this is major problem of EVE community. “You don’t play for decade, don’t have thousands of alts so your voice don’t matter”. As casual player, how much hours per day I need to grind to be able to say something? And what activity mean in EVE how big is your zkill? I must be another “pro” PvP guy whose ego walks 5m in front of him? Numbers don’t make you better player or more informed player. It’s about person itself. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/40 "2019-06-26T07:44:03Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > As casual player, how much hours per day I need to grind to be able to say something? None. Everyone can say whatever they want and no one is better or worse than you. We all have our own circumstances and they are all equal. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/41 "2019-06-26T07:54:09Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > And this is major problem of EVE community. “You don’t play for decade, don’t have thousands of alts so your voice don’t matter”. _ **Silence, scrublord!** _ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630/42 "2019-06-26T10:43:01Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > And this is major problem of EVE community. “You don’t play for decade, don’t have thousands of alts so your voice don’t matter”. > > As casual player, how much hours per day I need to grind to be able to say something? And what activity mean in EVE how big is your zkill? I must be another “pro” PvP guy whose ego walks 5m in front of him? > > Numbers don’t make you better player or more informed player. It’s about person itself. I didn’t say anything like that in the OP. I simply said active player. Active can mean a few hours a week. I didn’t say obsessive gamer which would fall into the category of players with a thousand alts as you said, or focusing on zkill numbers. An active player is one who actively participates in and supports the franchise, so doesn’t his or her opinions have more weight in endorsing the franchise? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-players-who-arent-active-have-strong-opinions-about-eve/169630.md?page=3)