# Can we all agree on one thing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471 "2019-04-27T21:29:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/61 "2019-04-30T12:05:43Z")
> [@Jason\_Galente](#): > > It does not suit you. Moreso than it doesn’t really suit anyone. Look, a week and a half ago, I received an ‘Empathetic’ badge from the CRC. It caused long moments of truly deep and thoughtful introspection. That I can be a more caring, and compassionate human being. Really be that best version of myself, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/62 "2019-04-30T13:00:03Z")
You get invited to nicer parties that way, certainly. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/63 "2019-04-30T13:05:05Z")
Maybe. I usually get bored eventually of having to navigate the niceties of other people’s social acceptance, though. One of the main reasons I went independent. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/64 "2019-04-30T13:05:42Z")
Well, just because you’re being empathetic doesn’t _necessarily_ mean you’re always completely behaving… ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/65 "2019-04-30T13:06:19Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > ## TRAITORS. > > Really, just burn them all. They’re so disgusting! One person’s traitor is another person’s freedom fighter. I think the answer to the original question is now quite clearly “No, no we can’t”. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/66 "2019-05-01T11:44:46Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > One person’s traitor is another person’s freedom fighter. Being a freedom fighter is not really much better than being a traitor. It’s like saying “one person’s murderer is another person’s thief”. 🤣 Besides, treason remains a treason from any point you look at it, both from the side a traitor defected from and from the side he defected to. And, definitely, from the neutral point of view. Maybe only if the side he defected to is depraved enough to accept him despite the fact of treason, they _might_ not consider him a traitor, but it’s like, you know, a single group against the whole world. 🙄 The characteristics of a “freedom fighters” are pretty much invariant as well from what point of view you look at them - they’re bullies, inflicting freedom on others by violent means, often relying on methods of terror, kidnapping and murder (up to and including genocide). ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/67 "2019-05-01T11:48:49Z")
Commander Kim - I am somewhat confused, aren’t _you_ a freedom fighter? You are fighting for the freedom of the Caldari prisoners that you claim the Gallante have held. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/68 "2019-05-01T12:08:28Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > Commander Kim - I am somewhat confused, aren’t _you_ a freedom fighter? You are fighting for the freedom of the Caldari prisoners that you claim the Gallante have held. I am most definitely not. 1. I do not seek freedom by itself. 2. I do not inflict freedom on others against their will. 3. I do not rely on methods of terror, considering them inefficient, a waste of resources and time. 4. I do not kidnap people. 5. While being a soldier and killing enemy units/resources, I do not rely on committing illegal murders to fight our enemy. 6. I was trained as a commissioned officer, I have a higher education and discipline to fight as a professional military unit. Neither of these characteristics fit a freedom fighter. 7. I do believe that if a soldier submitted and surrendered themselves to the enemy, they are cowards who cant fight to the end and deserve to be imprisoned. 8. I do not believe that treating even disgraced soldiers in a way gallente treat them is acceptable. 9. Thus, I do not fight even for freedom of prisoners of war. 10. Instead, I fight for their life and health. 11. Because, as a soldier of the State, I am sworn to protect every Caldari life, including disgraced and imprisoned. 12. My claim that Gallente torture prisoners of war, hold them in explosive cells, starve them, rape them and beat them is not just a claim - it is a verifiable fact that every capsule pilot can verify by themselves. 13. And finally, on a multiple occasions I have described what I think and feel about freedom as ideal. Do you _really_ think I would _ever_ fight for it?.. ---
**Author:** ![Azazel\_Drakonis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazel_drakonis/32/495743_2.png) [@Azazel\_Drakonis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazel_Drakonis)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/69 "2019-05-01T13:25:01Z")
I think you should reassess your definition of “freedom fighter” ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/70 "2019-05-01T13:29:52Z")
It is a fanatic (or a cultist) fighting for chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Viderzei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_viderzei/32/256790_2.png) [@Sasha\_Viderzei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Viderzei)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/71 "2019-05-01T13:32:09Z")
Absolutely no ! I like them spikes ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/72 "2019-05-01T13:35:38Z")
What would you call some one who is fighting invading power that seeks to destroy your culture and people? ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/73 "2019-05-01T13:36:53Z")
I believe she would call that a Caldari Naval Officer. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/74 "2019-05-01T13:39:06Z")
Soldier of your nation. Though there is no real distinction between whether you’re the defending or offending side. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/75 "2019-05-01T13:39:59Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Soldier of your nation. Noted. ---
**Author:** ![niquid\_Aideron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niquid_aideron/32/124193_2.png) [@niquid\_Aideron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/niquid_Aideron)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/76 "2019-05-01T16:00:29Z")
Just lets all agree to hate goons. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/77 "2019-05-01T16:29:02Z")
It really is the best way to go if you want unanimity. After all, we hate us, too. We have to put up with Goons all the damned time. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/78 "2019-05-01T16:44:56Z")
> [@Azazel\_Drakonis](#): > > I think you should reassess your definition of “freedom fighter” She won’t. She’s been repeatedly told there’s two different cultural concepts for freedom but she refuses to adjust and keeps on assuming ‘freedom’ _always_ means ‘chaos, being adrift, without control’. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/79 "2019-05-01T16:57:42Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > She won’t. She’s been repeatedly told there’s two different cultural concepts for freedom but she refuses to adjust and keeps on assuming ‘freedom’ _always_ means ‘chaos, being adrift, without control’. Are you going to claim that enforcing freedom does not remove any relation that implies direct control? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471/80 "2019-05-01T17:02:13Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Are you going to claim that enforcing freedom does not remove any relation that implies direct control? I am going to claim we have been through this several times and I am not going to do another iteration. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-all-agree-on-one-thing/155471.md?page=5)