# Can we finally get rid of pulling CONCORD mechanic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 9, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289 "2019-08-09T20:43:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/105 "2020-02-17T09:33:33Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Currently Tornado gankers can just loiter by using tags to remove their security status penalty, so the only way to get them is to use KR’s. And if they sit next to a station and even on a gate they are difficult to kill. That’s fair, although I would guess that they’re somewhat of a minority amongst their brethern; I could be wrong and it maybe that most gankers use tags. > For my part I would prefer that the tags only applied to the security status from lowsec activities. A reasonable preference, how it would affect the meta I have no idea. It would involve finding a way to discern between losec and hisec activities and act upon it; it may well involve rewriting how crimewatch works and the underlying mechanics that power it. > You are ignoring those that keep using the tags, I come across certain CODE gankers that do this too. Not per se, I have no doubt that some use tags, I just don’t think that there’s enough of them to be important. > Some do. Yeah they do, not many isn’t none. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/106 "2020-02-17T09:39:16Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > That’s fair, although I would guess that they’re somewhat of a minority amongst their brethern; I could be wrong and it maybe that most gankers use tags. No they are not, Tornado gankers have to do this. The issue is that they most likely won’t do it without tags, though the suspect part of it does enable them to warp down to gates from tethered structures, but makes it a lot more difficult for them to camp stations. I just wish NPC stations would have tethering too then it pushes things on gates which is a better balance at least within the current system that is. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > A reasonable preference, how it would affect the meta I have no idea. It would involve finding a way to discern between losec and hisec activities and act upon it; it may well involve rewriting how crimewatch works and the underlying mechanics that power it. Which is the tough part. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Not per se, I have no doubt that some use tags, I just don’t think that there’s enough of them to be important. I think a better option for balance would be to remove this activity from stations by tethering being applied to NPC stations. At least on gates you can force them through and have people waiting on the other side. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Yeah they do, not many isn’t none. People tend to be shy of going after suspect baiters, but without neutral RR it has opened up a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/107 "2020-02-17T09:48:50Z")
By brethren I meant gankers in general, not just those in 'Nado’s. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/108 "2020-02-17T09:51:17Z")
I saw one ganker stop using his criminal characters after being intercepted a few times, they were thrashers. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/109 "2020-02-17T13:52:18Z")
I think you misunderstood it sir. The problem is the opposite. There is no need to nerf ganking. We need to remove the annoying features like CONCORD not despawning that are discouraging more ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/110 "2020-02-17T14:14:16Z")
I would say that majority of the gankers are using CONCORD tags. Not using concord tags is quite a specific to the CODE. and the CODE-related mass multibox fleet gankers. Basically everyone else is fixing their sec status be it via tags or ratting. Either to prevent being hunted by facpo and can camp gate/station, or to do other stuff with those characters like structure bashing or solo pvp. Or it is just to prevent mistakes happening when you multibox ganks alone. I lost so many ships on a gates because jump didn’t work or I forgot on that alt when something happened on my other accounts. Being heavy criminal is certainly manageable but annoying to deal with. It means that if you get bumped by an asteroid when warping onto the miner you are screwed - if that wasn’t criminal character it would not be big deal as long as he realized the situation and slowboated. But even if you do this with a criminal, by the time he gets to optimal, facpo is there and kills/ecm you faster than you can apply required dps. I have been in a lot of similar situations. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/111 "2020-02-17T18:17:46Z")
> [@DarkAbroxus](#): > > How to solve the Proplem with ganks in HS?. There is no problem, ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/112 "2020-02-17T21:10:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The issue is that they most likely won’t do it without tags, Right, and you don’t want ganking to be happening in this game. Got it. You’ve made that abundantly clear. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/113 "2020-02-17T22:12:51Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Right, and you don’t want ganking to be happening in this game. Got it. You’ve made that abundantly clear. Which is why I suggested the better option is to have tethering on stations, Reading and comprehension fails again on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/114 "2020-02-17T22:31:57Z")
Is trade hub nado ganking unhealthy? Even if it is, we need that destruction. Also if you do that, blockade runners will be 100% immune to being killed in hs as long as the pilot is not autopiloting. That is certainly bad for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/115 "2020-02-17T23:31:01Z")
Dude, do you really feel you’ve mastered English? _Really_??? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/116 "2020-02-18T01:23:34Z")
No of course not. Just one more nerf and everything will be balanced 👌 ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/117 "2020-02-18T01:28:50Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Is trade hub nado ganking unhealthy? Even if it is, we need that destruction Of course it is. We have to think of the carebears who are too lazy to use an insta warp bookmark > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Also if you do that, blockade runners will be 100% immune to being killed in hs as long as the pilot is not autopiloting. That is certainly bad for the game They’re already too safe. Same with dsts and jfs, only the dumbest of pilots lose them ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/118 "2020-02-18T06:22:34Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Is trade hub nado ganking unhealthy? As long as it is viable gameplay and not so annoying and tedious that no one will actually do it, it is a problem for drac and he has to lobby for nerfs. ---
**Author:** ![DarkAbroxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkabroxus/32/253377_2.png) [@DarkAbroxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DarkAbroxus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/119 "2020-02-18T07:31:29Z")
lol xD Youre part of it,little boi. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/120 "2020-02-18T07:33:36Z")
What was the problem again? That people shoot spaceships in a spaceship shooting game? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/121 "2020-02-18T08:42:28Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Dude, do you really feel you’ve mastered English? > > _Really_ ??? Have you mastered reading and replying to what people actually wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/122 "2020-02-18T10:33:36Z")
Please learn to spell before posting here. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/123 "2020-02-18T11:50:46Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Dude, do you really feel you’ve mastered English? > > _Really_ ??? > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Please learn to spell before posting here. When peoples resort to these type of posts it means they have no arguments at all. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289/124 "2020-02-18T18:55:14Z")
Dude, Dracky posted _yet another_ bit of incomprehensible drivel. I’m not exaggerating here. I could not discern any coherent meaning and the subject did not seem to pertain to anything I said. What _else_ am I supposed to comment on? Am I supposed to come up with a logical counter-argument to something that doesn’t make any sense to begin with? All I can advise is that you L2ENGLISH. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-finally-get-rid-of-pulling-concord-mechanic/181289.md?page=7)