# Can you build a Fortizar inside a C1 WH? **URL:** \ **Category:** Science & Industry\ **Created:** [May 30, 2026, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362 "2026-05-30T02:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Freddie\_Frakin\_Mercury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freddie_frakin_mercury/32/500428_2.png) [@Freddie\_Frakin\_Mercury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freddie_Frakin_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/1 "2026-05-30T02:37:30Z")
I’m getting conflicting information about being able to build a Fortizar in a C1 wh. AI, both Grok and ChatGPT will tell me you can build the freighter to launch it and then build the fortizar in a Raitaru… then, it turns around and tells me you can’t build large size hulls in a raitaru contradicting itself. It seems Google is doing the same thing as well. Google used to be mostly accurate. I don’t want to put the isk into getting everything in there just to say, nope can’t do it. And if you can do that, I know it’s stupid expensive, but in theory can one then build an Azbel and a Keepstar in a C1 WH also? ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/2 "2026-05-30T04:59:18Z")
As far as I can see from the EVE Wiki, the Standup Manufacturing Plant I in the Raitaru allows you to build anything, except for capital ships and supercapital ships. You could build a Raitaru to build a freighter to build a Fortizar there. > **[Structure equipment - Fitting upwell structures - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Fitting_upwell_structures#Structure_equipment)** > > An unfitted structure offers only the most basic services and can do nothing to defend itself. To get the full benefits of a structure it needs to be fitted with various modules. The EVE Support Site says the same [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/209985225-Upwell-Structures-Quick-Facts](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/209985225-Upwell-Structures-Quick-Facts) > Both Structure Components and the Upwell Structures themselves can be built in NPC stations as well as Upwell Structures with online manufacturing services. > **[Construction - EVE-GUIDES.FR | Citadelles : Le guide complet (Structures Upwell)](https://english.eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132.Upwell#Construction)** > > Citadels come in three sizes : M, L, and XL. They are built from structure components, themselves built from Minerals and Planetary Interaction Components. | Guides website about the MMORPG EVE Online. Including the Ultimate Citadel Guide and the EVE... The issue is not building it but bringing the core in, even for the Azbel, to online the L Structures. The core is ~~80.000 m³, which requires a freighter in the first place~~ \*, which does not fit through most wormholes leading into a C1. - little correction: [Can you build a Fortizar inside a C1 WH? - #4 by Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/4) And that’s the issue with AI. It costs so much more effort to fix their lies and hallucinations. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/3 "2026-05-30T05:49:36Z")
That’s the problem with AI, it pulls from ALL information sources, whether that information is factual or not… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/4 "2026-05-30T06:17:08Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > The core is 80.000 m³ is it? ![forticore](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/e/4/1e4edd65123e981d4444a59c1e61fe532b477fe5.png) You can bring it into C1 Wormholes in a simple DST. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > build a freighter Or, build an Orca… you can use it for boosting Mining Operations inside the hole later, cargo is still sufficient to launch an L-Structure (80.000m³) from it. ![orcacargo](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/d/3/1d3147cc8d2cbf5aa5e79d5f1152a3008fde1e49.png) Only build a freighter in there if you need it as log-off evac ship for valuable high-volume assets. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/5 "2026-05-30T08:38:04Z")
The torrent with max skills has a 90k m3 infrastructure hold. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/6 "2026-05-30T10:30:00Z")
Yeah, also a nice option if you don’t want any M-Structures in the hole anyway and just go for Forti+Tatara+Azbel. The usual setup I often see is Forti as main staging and some Raitarus / Athanors for industry (rigs are just so much cheaper…), in which case you could build the Forti directly inside the hole and deploy it with an Orca that you usually will want/need in there anyway. But yeah, deploying everything from a Torrent is a very elegant way too! Thanks for the hint! ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/7 "2026-05-30T10:41:13Z")
or just hauling one in, a torrent fits in a medium hole. No need to build it ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/8 "2026-05-30T10:51:44Z")
Interesting. I was under the impression that the cores had the same volume as the structure. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2026, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/9 "2026-05-30T14:55:38Z")
Yeah thats what I mean, if you don’t need M-Structures, you can set up everything directly from a Torrent. ---
**Author:** ![Freddie\_Frakin\_Mercury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freddie_frakin_mercury/32/500428_2.png) [@Freddie\_Frakin\_Mercury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freddie_Frakin_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2026, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/10 "2026-05-31T03:54:30Z")
YEP! The freighter is an emergency evac. Cool thank you. I battled with this for days. AI isn’t ready to take over quite yet! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-you-build-a-fortizar-inside-a-c1-wh/512362/11 "2026-08-29T03:54:31Z")
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