# Can't Enjoy the Game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155 "2020-05-14T20:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/106 "2020-05-18T07:05:23Z")
Still boring though I hear they let bots play it and that ruined it ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/107 "2020-05-18T07:36:46Z")
Calm down pawn ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/108 "2020-05-18T07:38:05Z")
Im not a prawn, Im spiderman [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0f64qJorLrY/hqdefault.jpg "Chess master general - Bottom - BBC comedy") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f64qJorLrY) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/109 "2020-05-18T07:40:05Z")
King me! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/4/340a5695d326723deb152b5e63d6f4ff5620c9e2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/110 "2020-05-18T07:40:53Z")
Ah I see you “went all the way” and turned into a “queen!” And they let children play this, you say ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/111 "2020-05-18T07:44:30Z")
I play with the 2017 SJW Equal Right empowerment Chess mod 1.2 The version that does away with black and white and just has all opaque pieces…plus any piece and become anything they want, free of judging…also there are no judges. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/112 "2020-05-18T07:51:51Z")
No rules either by the sounds of it ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/113 "2020-05-18T08:05:02Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I play with the 2017 SJW Equal Right empowerment Chess mod 1.2 > > The version that does away with black and white and just has all opaque pieces…plus any piece and become anything they want, free of judging…also there are no judges. Yeah but 1.3 is coming out soon. Some notable patch changes: - The knight has been eliminated due to animal cruelty - The game is now 16 pawns against a handful of bourgie rooks, clergy, and royalty, but because the pawns have seized the means of production, they can replace a lost piece any time they capture an enemy - Half of the board is now “safe space” where you aren’t allowed to take other pieces - The game now automatically ends after 20 turns, and both players are given a participation medal ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/114 "2020-05-18T10:26:54Z")
> [@Ana\_Vyr](#): > > Yeah, I could hire somebody. Are there combat pilots willing to sit in a belt for 3 hours watching a lone miner at the drop.of a hat? How much would that cost, ballpark? In all seriousness and depending on where you are and time you play, I’ll protect you with my mining fleet at the cost of ~10% of what you mine plus whatever i mine i keep. I’ll even haul for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/115 "2020-05-18T11:00:56Z")
The argument that keeps popping up is “Players should be allowed to play as they want” when it comes to someone that wants to mine 23/7. But what about the player that wants to pop your pod? Shouldn’t they be allowed to play as they want? So really, the argument is “Players should be allowed to play as they want. But only if it’s my way.” I think if that point was made honestly, we’d get a little further in the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Sinead\_O\_Carroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinead_o_carroll/32/205065_2.png) [@Sinead\_O\_Carroll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinead_O_Carroll)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/116 "2020-05-18T11:30:46Z")
Players can pop your pod whenever they want. It just takes effort. What’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/117 "2020-05-18T12:20:11Z")
The problem is the players that can’t accept that they consent to the possibility of someone popping their ship and pod when they log in. They use the common argument that players should be allowed to play as they want, all the while seeking to restrict other players from pursuing conflicting activities. In short, some believe that people playing as they want should only apply to them, and nobody should be able to take part in an activity that may conflict with theirs. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Kendar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kendar/32/213990_2.png) [@Kendar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kendar)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/118 "2020-05-18T12:40:26Z")
Nobody want to point out that a tanked barge with 5 light drones can take out the triglavians. There is also no trigs in starter systems Also what the heck is op using all the isk on? ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/119 "2020-05-18T13:14:08Z")
But if I pull in my mining drones I lost that sweet max isk per hour. This will not do. (Warning sarcasm. May be triggering for some younger viewers) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/120 "2020-05-18T13:20:19Z")
If I choose a Procurer I have to be at the keyboard and lose that sweet max isk per hour too. But I never have to replace it or post on the forums about how I got pwned by NPCs, and that it’s all the game’s fault; unlike the OP. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cardinal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_cardinal/32/465862_2.png) [@The\_Cardinal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/121 "2020-05-18T13:23:42Z")
You have been 5 years in this game and you don’t know? It’s called Locator Agents. (Another person…) ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/122 "2020-05-18T13:37:26Z")
There should be a newbie zone that is surrounded on all side by nullsec then lowsec. There should be enough stuff in there (missions,mining,sites ect) to let new people learn the ways of eve. Then when they think they are ready have to fight/scan/sneak their way past some of the most villainous dirty cutthroat pilots that eve has to offer all leading to one gate to enter into highsec where pirate corps camp the gates 24/7 picking off those who are not worthy. Those who make it are welcomed to a game of wonders/mad lootz/ and iskies. There maybe those that choose to stay in lowsec/nullsec to join the hordes of thugs attacking new players. But hopefully by then all the snowflakes will have long since quit leaving us with experienced pilots who are battle ready and wiser from the ordeal. Ready for whatever comes at them be it pirate or npc. A little humour with a sprinkle of sarcasm. But seriously this should be an option for those who want a challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/123 "2020-05-18T13:40:44Z")
Paraphrasing Malcanis: > You, the player, are an adorable golden haired child. You are released, alone but with a map, into a large wilderness park teeming with tens of thousands of rapacious predators. If you are cunning, tenacious and lucky, you can eventually become one of the predators; and along the way you learn how to not become their prey. My first character was in a wormhole within a month, with some friends whom I had originally met in a random IRC chatroom back in the days of emule and the like. While he’s long since been sold on, I Iearnt more about the game in my first 3 months of playing than others learn in decades. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/124 "2020-05-18T18:01:51Z")
OP, you have heard the saying “it takes money to make money”? You will have to use some more effective ship modules and drones. Expensive at first, yes, but will pay for themselves and actually a little more over a time. That is the solution to your problem and how to keep mining in peace. Firstly - fly an _Exhumer_ and **not** just a measly low-yield mining barge. The Mackinaw is best for solo work (good ore hold capacity = making lots of isk), Hulk best in mining fleets or multiboxing with Orca. Replace all (or at least as many as can be) your less-money-making regular ship modules with better (and profit-making!) officer modules. ('deadspace" or faction level modules if you have to) [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction\_modules](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_modules) Use 5 of the best combat drones available to buy. Have the drones orbit you permanently. Because they are better, they will be able to defeat Triglavians on their own without you having to do anything. Don’t listen to people who might say don’t do this for yourself. Of course your mining competition doesn’t want you to be able to profit so much and those idiot sociopath gankers don’t want you to be an impossible target. Get out there and mine up a lot of isk! 07 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/125 "2020-05-18T18:48:38Z")
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