# Can't Enjoy the Game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155 "2020-05-14T20:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/146 "2020-05-22T09:14:25Z")
Oh we had that one from someone too, but as a solution to Mutaplasmids. 1 in X times they are applied, they LOOK like an awesome roll, but when you undock or go to warp, or activate a random module, or something equally hilarious, the ship falls apart. In fact, all ships should have Lemon Dice, a hidden value that pertains to their raw build quality or quirks ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/147 "2020-05-22T09:15:21Z")
Rotating stations, the solution to the undock jam ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/148 "2020-05-22T09:15:37Z")
Salvagers that have been tweaked with mutaplasmids should strip materials from hull ehp. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/149 "2020-05-22T09:15:44Z")
That can bump you if hit by a swinging station section, I love it ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/150 "2020-05-22T09:16:34Z")
At the very least be able to salvage those big scenery chunks. Seriously, the raw materials of all those abandoned shuttles and depleted station batteries must be something. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/151 "2020-05-22T09:27:27Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Seriously, the raw materials of all those abandoned shuttles and depleted station batteries must be something. Blame the local council, we all know how lazy local councils are. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/152 "2020-05-22T10:30:23Z")
> [@Emka\_Ottiett](#): > > Eve is a sandbox, right? Wrong. EVE was a kind of a sandbox once upon a time, until devs decided to keep interfering and forcing players into play styles how they wish you to play. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/153 "2020-05-22T10:34:05Z")
> [@HitmanJack](#): > > However i undertsand the need tackle bots. Not just bots. But afk mining too. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/154 "2020-05-22T10:35:28Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > forcing players into play styles how they wish you to play Such as? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/155 "2020-05-22T10:39:05Z")
Eve is CCP’s sandbox ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/156 "2020-05-22T10:46:51Z")
> [@PeHD0M](#): > > For the first time in many years i’m considering to completely uninstall EVE. Not because of players, but because of CCP decisions. Can’t fault you on that. I’ve done it already. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/157 "2020-05-22T11:00:11Z")
For those that are considering quitting, if you sign all of your stuff over to my charity Central Amarrian Spiritual Healing (CASH for short) I will see it’s put to good use. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/158 "2020-05-22T11:30:40Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > [@PeHD0M](#): > > > > For the first time in many years i’m considering to completely uninstall EVE. Not because of players, but because of CCP decisions. > > Can’t fault you on that. I’ve done it already. So why are you still posting here ? ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/159 "2020-05-22T11:39:01Z")
Still a subscriber for about another 16 days, after then I won’t be posting anything on this forum, not that you will see me here much anyway. Got an alpha account but don’t use it, it was originally to farm sp for another of my characters, but removed around 50 million sp from this character making that alpha account (which if used would have become an omega) redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/160 "2020-05-22T12:04:11Z")
I get tired of these threads getting blasted by “hero” null sec players. We all know the most afk mining, ratting and botting is done in null sec. Been there, seen it happen. So CCP, lets make it fair. I agree trig rats are far too powerful or the wave is too big (sometimes 3-4 ships) for high sec. So let’s lower the number of ships or the dps dealt by trig rats in high sec OR introduce trig rats to null sec in waves of 6, 12 or 20 ships and also include battleships. Have the rats target their Excavator drones as well. The forums will light up with rage, but will it be the high sec players or the null sec multi-boxers, that will no longer be able to watch Netflix while they mine under their capital umbrella. It’s pitiful how CCP protects the cry babies of null sec. After all, null sec is where the “elite” is supposed to play. Give them some trig waves and you’ll see which side whines the loudest! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/161 "2020-05-22T12:09:20Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/c/ccff6ec4eb59d7c50d3c5a5a7ded921fc2c015a7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/162 "2020-05-22T12:34:18Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > I agree trig rats are far too powerful or the wave is too big (sometimes 3-4 ships) for high sec. So let’s lower the number of ships or the dps dealt by trig rats in high sec OR introduce trig rats to null sec in waves of 6, 12 or 20 ships and also include battleships. Ya I like that… +1 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/163 "2020-05-22T15:52:03Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > I get tired of these threads getting blasted by “hero” null sec players. We all know the most afk mining, ratting and botting is done in null sec. Been there, seen it happen. > > So CCP, lets make it fair. I agree trig rats are far too powerful or the wave is too big (sometimes 3-4 ships) for high sec. So let’s lower the number of ships or the dps dealt by trig rats in high sec OR introduce trig rats to null sec in waves of 6, 12 or 20 ships and also include battleships. Have the rats target their Excavator drones as well. The forums will light up with rage, but will it be the high sec players or the null sec multi-boxers, that will no longer be able to watch Netflix while they mine under their capital umbrella. > > It’s pitiful how CCP protects the cry babies of null sec. After all, null sec is where the “elite” is supposed to play. Give them some trig waves and you’ll see which side whines the loudest! That’s fairly egalitarian, so I like it. The only thing I would change is making the spawns scale with the amount of players in the belt, so that smaller gangs are still possible, and you don’t _always_ need huge groups to do stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Draqolas\_Windfury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/draqolas_windfury/32/427631_2.png) [@Draqolas\_Windfury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Draqolas_Windfury)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/164 "2020-05-22T17:07:41Z")
Just move 3-4 system further. Rat’s on gate wont point you so your good. ---
**Author:** ![Frejya\_Hjorr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frejya_hjorr/32/207521_2.png) [@Frejya\_Hjorr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frejya_Hjorr)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155/165 "2020-05-22T17:48:40Z")
Player vs ENVIRONMENT. Those rats are the environment btw. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cant-enjoy-the-game/241155.md?page=9)