# Capital ships is a joke **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702 "2021-06-10T12:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/41 "2021-06-10T18:40:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > quiet small gang That “quiet small gang” was made up of 10 Hecates, one of the highest DPS subcaps in the _game_. Some of them were doing over 900 DPS **cold** , well over 1k DPS heated. That means the gang had around 10k DPS. I don’t understand how a Carrier (or any other Capital) should be immune to 10k DPS. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. A well-piloted, small ship **should** be able to kill larger ships, especially ones that are poorly fit like that Carrier. Capitals shouldn’t be an “I win button”. The game shouldn’t revolve around Caps. If you don’t want to feed your Cap to a group of Hecates train a Huginn alt for Webs or get friends. It really isn’t hard. ---
**Author:** ![Twin\_blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twin_blade/32/201042_2.png) [@Twin\_blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twin_blade)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/42 "2021-06-10T18:42:07Z")
A tank would of done a few things. 1 Buy enough time for the support fleet to come help. 2 Make it look like you are to tough of a target to kill before help turns up. 3 Allow the keepstar weapons to kill one or two of them likely allowing your tank to hold. 4 Give you more time to keep hurling fighters at them to kill or force them to focus on the fighters buying even MORE time. I would be happy to hurl fighters to buy time oh no i lose a load of fighters trying to save a 4b+ ship that if it pops will likely have a load of the fighters blow up with the ship anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/43 "2021-06-10T18:53:16Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > How it even possible that a small group of small ships take down a carrier? > It’s like if you take 10 man with pistols and they shoot a modern tank XXXX times - it blows up. > Sounds like a joke, right? Not matter how much people with pistols you take and how much time they shoot a tank - nothing happens. So the US Navy carriers shouldn’t be worried about Iranian speed boats? Maybe you should look up asymmetrical warfare and see why its a thing. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/44 "2021-06-10T18:57:26Z")
poor trillionaire crab that’s appalling!!! ![Dsle98b](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/c/dceb597800cfaf7a306fe9f0dfef5c06a1c90981.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/45 "2021-06-10T19:05:03Z")
> [@Spitfire1938](#): > > I don’t understand how a Carrier (or any other Capital) should be immune to 10k DPS. It shouldn’t. But who say it should take 1:1 ratio? As i sayed - pistol, even largest, strongest, hugest caliber pistol in the world cant destroy a tank. Maybe just scratch a bit. Get the point? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/46 "2021-06-10T19:05:49Z")
> [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > So the US Navy carriers shouldn’t be worried about Iranian speed boats? Those carriers have a whole lot of small caliber, fast firing and fast tracking ordinance to deal with super scary Iranian speedboats. EVE carriers don’t. So stop trying to compare RL with internet spaceships. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/47 "2021-06-10T19:10:59Z")
> [@Spitfire1938](#): > > I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. A well-piloted, small ship **should** be able to kill larger ships, especially ones that are poorly fit like that Carrier. Capitals shouldn’t be an “I win button”. The game shouldn’t revolve around Caps. If you don’t want to feed your Cap to a group of Hecates train a Huginn alt for Webs or get friends. It really isn’t hard. Caps are expensive and long trained toys. I barely sure it’s becomes a global trend for all. In the end - many people sit in hi-sec and many activities unavaliable for caps. And, why you think other caps will not being uses to kill them? And it will be look more logical than 10 cheap hecates. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/48 "2021-06-10T19:14:42Z")
> [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > So the US Navy carriers shouldn’t be worried about Iranian speed boats? Maybe you should look up asymmetrical warfare and see why its a thing. Iranian speed boats with what? .50 cal? 20mm? 30mm? If you mean torpedo boats compared to IRL - so it’s bombers and i’ve sayed - i’m ok with this. But bomber almost useless against other ship types. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/49 "2021-06-10T19:17:55Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > And, why you think other caps will not being uses to kill them? And it will be look more logical than 10 cheap hecates. Why should we need capital ships to kill capital ships? And what doesn’t look ‘logical’ about a capital ship killed by 10 hecates? The fact that the capital ship was trying to fly without subcapital support? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/50 "2021-06-10T19:24:09Z")
You could use BS as well. ---
**Author:** ![Elenahina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elenahina/32/307923_2.png) [@Elenahina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elenahina)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/51 "2021-06-10T19:36:50Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > It’s like if you take 10 man with pistols and they shoot a modern tank XXXX times - it blows up. > Sounds like a joke, right? Not matter how much people with pistols you take and how much time they shoot a tank - nothing happens. > But CCP try to tells us that if they shoot enough XXXX times to the tank - it blows up. > And instead - if we drop nuclear bomb on a car - it’s vaporized. > But CCP try to tells us that car dont have enough signature to take any serious damage, maybe just a little scratches. Here’s a more apt analogy. It’s like an aircraft carrier, alone and unprotected by anything but it’s own planes gets suddenly swarmed by a bunch of small craft armed with heavy weapons and missile launchers. It’s a more apt scenario because, just like in Eve, the carrier is liable to sink, or at least suffer significant damage. Frigates aren’t carrying pea shooters, they’re sporting 280mm cannon. That’s more than twice the size of the largest artillery shell I know of. It’s going to do damage when it hits, that’s just physics. As for the big ship hitting the little ones, that’s also more apt. Hitting a small target with a large gun is incredibly hard if the target is moving. Ask a tank gunner if they could hit a moving swallow with the main gun. Now, when you do hit, yes you should do a fair bit of damage, but this being a game, sig radius plays a part at making sure that small ships stay relevant even in late game play. Sorry, that’s just how it is. Otherwise new bros would never stand a chance. You’re nuclear weapon thing is more akin to a smart bomb, and yes, if you have smart bombs on your carrier, and the small shits orbit you too closely, you will rip them a new one because smart bombs don’t care about your sig radius or your speed tank. Smart bomb is essentially honey badger. It just doesn’t care. Edit: TIL I learned that if you mistype the word ships as shits CCP apparently also plays honey badger and doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/52 "2021-06-10T20:06:44Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Iranian speed boats with what? .50 cal? 20mm? 30mm? Try RPGs and ATGMs. They won’t sink the carrier but can certainly mission kill it. ---
**Author:** ![Syndicate\_Guru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syndicate_guru/32/221954_2.png) [@Syndicate\_Guru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syndicate_Guru)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/53 "2021-06-10T20:07:25Z")
So lets some facts straight here, the smallest auto canon is the size of a 5 inch gun. The smallest rail gun is the size of a 3 inch gun. The largest of the small size of the small auto cannon is the size of an 8 inch gun. The largest for rails is around a 6 inch gun. Those gun sizes are what capitol ships would have a secondary battery’s or cruisers and destroyers would have as main guns in WW2. So your handgun analogy is just terrible. The size of the weapons used could and would sink even the mightiest capitol ships. Overall nothing wrong here move along. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/54 "2021-06-10T20:11:32Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > So stop trying to compare RL with internet spaceships. But the tank analogy is OK? Way to move those goalposts. And if those speed boats weren’t scary, USN wouldn’t be training on how to defend against them and won’t be borrowing Strykers from the Army and Marines for supplemental firepower. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/55 "2021-06-10T20:23:37Z")
Which part of stop comparing RL to internet spaceships did you not understand? Because you are still doing it. As for the tank analogy. I have no clue WTF you are talking about. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/56 "2021-06-10T20:40:47Z")
> [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > Try RPGs and ATGMs. They won’t sink the carrier but can certainly mission kill it. RPG and ATGMs against carrier… Nice Joke. I suppose whole iranian PRG and ATGMs reserves not enough to sink a carrier. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/57 "2021-06-10T20:41:24Z")
PT boats were a thing. This is why real capital ships have escorts… –Historical Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/58 "2021-06-10T20:44:38Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Caps are expensive and long trained toys. Ok so is the Marshal. I’d argue that it’s a _longer_ train to sit in one of those than a Carrier and they cost more. However a well-tanked Marshal can get absolutely curb stomped by three of those Hecates. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/59 "2021-06-10T20:47:16Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > RPG and ATGMs against carrier… Nice Joke. > I suppose whole iranian PRG and ATGMs reserves not enough to sink a carrier. Did you even read what I wrote? ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/60 "2021-06-10T20:48:47Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > As i sayed - pistol, even largest, strongest, hugest caliber pistol in the world cant destroy a tank. Maybe just scratch a bit. > Get the point? Also there is a mechanic in place for this. It’s called Shield Regeneration. Larger ships have larger shields and are able to passively tank larger amounts of damage. Sorry that it doesn’t make you immune to 10k DPS from a gang of T3Ds, but it will help against a single Rifter shooting you! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702.md?page=4)