# Capital ships is a joke **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702 "2021-06-10T12:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/122 "2021-06-11T20:58:27Z")
Carriers are fine, don’t fly them unsupported. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/123 "2021-06-12T11:08:21Z")
> [@Arel\_Novara\_Deva](#): > > Look at the japanese battle ships Yamato and Mushasi, bot got sunk by small airplaines It took eleven torpedoes and six bombs to sink the _Yamato_. The _Musashi_ took nineteen torpedoes and seventeen bombs. And at the time they were sunk, both ships were already limping along on patch-up repairs from earlier torpedo strikes. They may have been strategically useless, but the _Yamato_ and _Musashi_ were almost (if not quite) indestructible. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/124 "2021-06-12T11:23:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > It’s like if you take 10 man with pistols and they shoot a modern tank XXXX times - it blows up. If a tank rolls into a village I would tell people to start fires in the streets, creating thick smoke. The poor tank crew that decided to roll in without support can’t see anything. Chances of it escaping has reached zero by now. Powerless the tank will probaby drive around with high chances of getting stuck. Only one satchel charge and the bottom of the tank gives out. Yes, that expensive tank is now destroyed. Not 10 pistols needed, just some DIY explossives packet. Not very well balanced or a inexperienced tank crew? Imagine being on an oil tanker, you see a bunch of motorboats approaching, some of them have rocket launchers. You cannot run, you better have a support fleet of frigates. (or snipers on board, but that doesn’t work in space). Big expensive oil tanker defeated by 10 guys in motorboats with AK47’s and an old rocket launcher… not very well balanced or an inexperienced oil tanker crew? This game requires both strategy and tactics. Learn them and apply them or your ship will be lost. ---
**Author:** ![Solitude\_Nox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solitude_nox/32/272921_2.png) [@Solitude\_Nox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solitude_Nox)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/125 "2021-06-12T11:45:13Z")
Might be player error, might be overconfidence, might be AFK There are a lot of ‘might’s and ‘could’s in this scenario, any of them could explain why this happened. Dont blame CCP for these kinds of issues which may be caused by the player themselves ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/126 "2021-06-12T14:57:25Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > Imagine being on an oil tanker Oil tanker compare to EVE is a freighter. So nothing strange here. It’s harmless. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/127 "2021-06-12T15:02:39Z")
As i sayed before… If we even emagine in spherical vacuum that Carrier pilot was not AFK, ship was properly fitted, etc, etc. What changes? Could he kill the hecates? no. Because hecates would just kill his fighters. Could he survive them? no. Hi would just died 30sec/1min/2min later. This is dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/128 "2021-06-12T15:35:42Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Could he kill the hecates? no. Depending on the fit? Yes, he can. If he has proper webs, proper tank, proper fighters, yes, he can absolutely wreck a group of hecate. Maybe even live. You can hear it in the video. The guy says “Hes armor tanked. Wait, no”. Then they are laughing, because he isnt armor or hull tanked. He has no tank, at all. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Because hecates would just kill his fighters. No. They wouldnt. Hecates are orbitting right next to you, meaning you could retract the fighters whenever they started taking damage. Its no different than having to manage your drones. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Hi would just died 30sec/1min/2min later. Against a properly fit thanatos? probably not. I could probably survive 10 hecate if it were just them and no other ship. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > This is dumb. The fit was dumb, and your narration is dumb too. If you dont know how to properly fit or fly a carrier, you will lose it in the most idiotic way possible. ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/129 "2021-06-12T15:44:14Z")
Just wait till you see this battle report. A small group of 5 Battleships, a couple of Bombers and Cruisers killed two (2) Supercarriers and a several other support ships. > **[zKillboard.com / Related Kills | C3I-D5 | 2021-06-12 07:00](https://zkillboard.com/related/30005190/202106120700/)** > > A battle took place in C3I-D5 (Perrigen Falls) involving 52 pilots who lost a total of 219,257,304,666.09 isk If you’re changes went through, _this would not be possible_. High level pilots, like these, wouldn’t be able to punch up like they do here. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > This is dumb. You’re right, changing it so small, well-piloted ships couldn’t haze large ships _is_ dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/130 "2021-06-12T19:13:27Z")
And this is dumb too. 2 supers cant clear the grid from few BS and cruisers? Seriuos? 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ And know why? Because fighters are useless, they cant hit hard anythyng smaller than BS. So they just reps and feels fine. Exactly what i’m talking about - caps underpowered. ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/131 "2021-06-12T19:34:21Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > And this is dumb too. 2 supers cant clear the grid from few BS and cruisers? Yah it had nothing to do with the fact that those BS and cruisers are piloted by some of the best pilots in the game, that their fits are blinged out to the max and they run high-grade implants. Or that those Supers didn’t bring any webs/paints to help with application. Cap weapons **SHOULD NOT** apply to subcaps _without_ lots of webs and paints. I have no interest in playing Caps online. Both of those Supers were ratting fit, and there was a third on the battlereport. If you have three supers on grid and a kitchen sink against a couple Nightmares, I don’t think it’s the games fault when you lose. Maybe you’re just bad at this. Supers already have so many different methods to apply to smaller ships. Burst projectors, tracking enhancers/links as well as friends with support ships. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/132 "2021-06-12T19:42:10Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > How thanatos can kill those hecates? Use Friends You failed when you went out solo and you are failing now expecting to win a 10v1 because you have the “bigger ship”. Bigger is also slower and easier to hit. How did you get a capital ship and not know this? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/133 "2021-06-12T19:53:36Z")
> [@Spitfire1938](#): > > Cap weapons **SHOULD NOT** apply to subcaps _without_ lots of webs and paints. I understand your point, balance, game mechanics, all that stuff. But in nutshell - it’s dumb. Balance **SHOULD NOT** stand against logic and common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/134 "2021-06-12T19:55:37Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Use Friends We reviewing the case where is no friends. Only thanatos vs 10 hecates in vacuum. to proof that cap ships underpowered and harmless to subcap (or not) ---
**Author:** ![WowThisGameIsAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wowthisgameisawesome/32/277262_2.png) [@WowThisGameIsAwesome](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WowThisGameIsAwesome)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/135 "2021-06-12T21:07:02Z")
Sorry for a dumb question, but I’ve never even been next to a capship in-game. So, if capital ships are so weak against smaller, cheaper ships, what would motivate a player to get one ? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/136 "2021-06-12T21:24:08Z")
Most of current existing caps was builded before industry changes and was bought for about 1-3 bil and supers for about 10-60 bils or even cheaper. And crab carrier way more effective than any of subcaps. Dread very effective to clear sleepers/drifters in WH. Until you got catched for the ass by 10 hecates or whatever… ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/137 "2021-06-12T21:29:39Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Balance **SHOULD NOT** stand against logic and common sense. Well your brand of common sense might not be so common. Think about it. A small ship moving quickly is hard to hit with massive guns. The guns can’t move fast enough to keep up with the fast moving ship. To hit those ships you need to either bring down their speed, increase their signature radius or increase your tracking. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > We reviewing the case where is no friends. Only thanatos vs 10 hecates in vacuum. to proof that cap ships underpowered and harmless to subcap (or not) Well that’s just stupid, any large ship that is by itself and not fit for application should die to a large group of smaller ships. If you are taking a Cap out unsupported you are asking to die. > [@WowThisGameIsAwesome](#): > > So, if capital ships are so weak against smaller, cheaper ships, what would motivate a player to get one ? Because when properly supported, Capitals are absolute monsters. They have the highest DPS, the largest amount of EHP, the most remote repping in the game. The problem is, people like our friend @Mr_Raven_101, want to be able to take one out solo, in a no tank PVE fit, and expect to beat 10 T3Ds. They are surprised when they die and demand that Caps be buffed to become invincible to smaller ships. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/138 "2021-06-12T21:38:55Z")
> [@Spitfire1938](#): > > The problem is, people like our friend @Mr_Raven_101, want to be able to take one out solo, in a no tank PVE fit, and expect to beat 10 T3Ds. They are surprised when they die and demand that Caps be buffed to become invincible to smaller ships. I’m not asking caps being invincible to subcap. But carrier definitely shouldn’t die from 10 hecates. (if he’s not AFK ofc.) 10 hecates should die from him instead. Wanna kill a carrier with hecates? bring 30-40-50. it will be look sensful at least. But 10… it’s a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/139 "2021-06-12T21:45:39Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > But carrier definitely shouldn’t die from 10 hecates. (if he’s not AFK ofc.) The number of ships really shouldn’t matter. Those Hecates were spitting out 1k DPS **each**. What should matter is how much EHP/S you have vs how much DPS your enemy is doing. If your EHP/S is less than their DPS then you should start dying and after your buffer runs out you should explode. Pretty simple really. The Thanatos in question elected to go for no EHP/S outside the passive shield regeneration and no buffer so he died real fast. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/140 "2021-06-12T21:58:55Z")
> [@Spitfire1938](#): > > The Thanatos in question elected to go for no EHP/S outside the passive shield regeneration and no buffer so he died real fast. That’s what i’m talking about. if they dealing only 25% damage to him, he’s could probably manage to kill them or at least got some help… But he’s just vaporized. Giant Carrier vaporized by 10 tiny destroyers without a chance. No, i cant agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702/141 "2021-06-12T22:03:37Z")
10 tactical destroyers made with advanced technology versus a capital ship with no tank and not able to rep itself. No, that fight looked pretty fair. Your idea is lackluster. Next you’ll be saying you want capital ships in high sec. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702.md?page=8)