# Capital ships should be capital - hull/gun size damage penalty multiplier **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 10, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703 "2021-06-10T12:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/1 "2021-06-10T12:11:14Z")
Description here - [Capital ships is a joke](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke/315702) And here - [Capital ships is a joke... Round 2](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-is-a-joke-round-2/318288) To prevent stupid situations like above, CCP should make simple changes We have four types of hull sizes Small - S Medium - M Large - L Capital - XL/XXL (since it uses same capital guns i’m let myself not to put it in separate sizes) So here’s the point: 50% damage reduction for each +1 hull size above yours+1. 25% damge increase for each -1 hull size below yours. UPD. for better understanding what i mean. frig size should have 1 damage ratio to crusiers, crusiers 1 to BS, BS 1 to caps But frigs vs BS should have only 0.5, and against caps only 0.25. Vice versa - Caps 1.25 to BS, 1.5 to cruisers, 1.75 to frig size. BS 1,25 to cruisers, 1.5 to frig size and Cruisers 1.25 to fig size. UPD 30/06/2021: Reduce all fighters singarture radius. Remove all tube type limitations. Revoke all fighters damage and application-related changes from this patches: > **[Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/surgical-strike-coming-15-april)** > > The quest for a healthy Capital ecosystem continues! > **[Spring Balance Update Incoming! | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming)** > > Check out this devblog from the EVE Dev Team about upcoming balance changes for the spring and summer! Notice, that i’m not talking about signature radius, tracking, all that stuff. I’s only about damage. Because now Capital ships survivability against small gagns is complete dumb and it’s clearly should be changed ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/2 "2021-06-10T12:59:51Z")
No. Simple as that. Signature and tracking already doing it’s job. There’s a reason destroyers are used in a fleet, think about it. Stop trying to be so self empowered and self sufficient. On a side note, EVE single player can be a thing, people love to play alone with their alts… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/3 "2021-06-10T13:12:43Z")
> [@Adm\_Malkaviano](#): > > Signature and tracking already doing it’s job. It literally tells us that pistol\>\>\>nuclear bomb. Logic… ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/4 "2021-06-10T13:16:23Z")
Capitals already have massive tank. The issue is that caps are not meant to be out unsupported. Fly the cap properly and your issue is solved. As for the lol pistol vs tank bs. A tank likely could be taken out by personnel in various ways if it’s not properly supported just like caps in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Hariet](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Hariet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hariet)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/5 "2021-06-10T13:34:38Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > It literally tells us that pistol\>\>\>nuclear bomb. > Logic… That is perfectly logical … if you can get close enough to shoot the person with the nuclear trigger in the head. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/6 "2021-06-10T14:41:58Z")
Agreed. Francis? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/7 "2021-06-10T15:03:31Z")
Thread moved by request. ---
**Author:** ![Twin\_blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twin_blade/32/201042_2.png) [@Twin\_blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twin_blade)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/8 "2021-06-10T18:22:58Z")
This is not needed and would just be bad for the game simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/9 "2021-06-10T18:32:57Z")
You mean, bad for cheap frig size gangs? ---
**Author:** ![Twin\_blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twin_blade/32/201042_2.png) [@Twin\_blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twin_blade)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/10 "2021-06-10T18:52:00Z")
It would be bad for all ships. Frigs and Destroyers use small guns now Cruisers will be much harder to deal with having double the EHP. Cruisers and Battlecruisers will now get eaten alive by Battleships more than now. Battleships will suffer even worse vs Capital ships and its not well balanced now as it is. Oh but Hac’s can be used to counter Capital ships oh wait no -100% damage so Capital ships are now immune to any damage smaller than Battleship weapons a ship that Capitals kill alittle to easy all ready. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/11 "2021-06-10T19:00:49Z")
Rechek your math. I never suggets -100% damage. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/12 "2021-06-10T19:47:26Z")
Thank you for your patience explaining stuff I don’t have patience anymore. Take a heart. Ofc he’s not gonna listen. ---
**Author:** ![Arisha\_Moon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arisha_moon/32/420765_2.png) [@Arisha\_Moon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arisha_Moon)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/13 "2021-06-10T23:06:16Z")
like in real, an aircraft carrier is always support by many small ships… just think about how “small” aircraft can destroy a whole carrier with one torpedo… big is not = save… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/14 "2021-06-10T23:13:05Z")
IRL carrier cant be beaten with single torpedo. …unless very “lucky” torpedo maybe… but anyway. And how you compare hecates to IRL torpedos? ---
**Author:** ![Arisha\_Moon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arisha_moon/32/420765_2.png) [@Arisha\_Moon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arisha_Moon)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/15 "2021-06-10T23:18:32Z")
this was to his first thread… where he asked how is it possible that a small gang kill a carrier ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/16 "2021-06-11T00:34:40Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > IRL carrier cant be beaten with single torpedo. But it will take the carrier out of service for a yr for repairs. Something not considered in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Morbius\_Karlock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morbius_karlock/32/373699_2.png) [@Morbius\_Karlock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morbius_Karlock)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/17 "2021-06-11T05:19:23Z")
the joke is the fit. > **[Thanatos | HaoMaFanAAA | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/93248803/)** > > HaoMaFanAAA (Mist Forever) lost their Thanatos in HB-5L3 (Cobalt Edge). Final Blow by drones man (Federation of Disrespect Dishonor Apathy) flying in a Hecate. Total Value: 3,589,396,987.93 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/18 "2021-06-11T06:50:52Z")
I’m confused. Would this mean that a HAW Dread would have double DPS against a Frig/Dessie? ---
**Author:** ![Twin\_blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twin_blade/32/201042_2.png) [@Twin\_blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twin_blade)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/19 "2021-06-11T07:31:52Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > 50% damage reduction for each +1 hull size above yours 50% damage reduction for each +1 hull size above yours. That means Hac’s been 2 hull size’s below Capitals and as such deal Zero damage or -100%. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/20 "2021-06-11T08:17:51Z")
Is this yet another thread in which OP asks for his expensive ship to be able to kill less expensive ships? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703.md?page=2)