# Capital ships should be capital - hull/gun size damage penalty multiplier **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 10, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703 "2021-06-10T12:11:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/21 "2021-06-11T08:45:22Z")
Yes. But in case of signature and tracking mechanics it’s not a much buff. But it will certanly helps cap ships to kill an annoying insects ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/22 "2021-06-11T08:49:10Z")
> [@Twin\_blade](#): > > 50% damage reduction for each +1 hull size above yours. > > That means Hac’s been 2 hull size’s below Capitals and as such deal Zero damage or -100%. above yours + 1 So frig size have 1 damage ratio to crusiers, crusiers 1 to BS, BS 1 to caps But frigs vs BS have only 0.5, and against caps only 0.25. ---
**Author:** ![Twin\_blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twin_blade/32/201042_2.png) [@Twin\_blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twin_blade)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/23 "2021-06-11T10:06:35Z")
You said hull size and said nothing about it stacking just -50% each hull size above. The way it reads is a simple -50% then -100%. I do know what you mean but i am taking it at at face value due to the fact you only wish to do all this since you got punched in the Ego by losing a carrier with a bad fit. ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks\_Nightfall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cheeks_nightfall/32/433910_2.png) [@Cheeks\_Nightfall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cheeks_Nightfall)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/24 "2021-06-11T10:44:11Z")
No, thanks. Looks too much like an ISK before brains suggestion. Taking away even part of the vulnerability of capital ships (support fleets) would make cap proliferation even more a thing in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Othello\_Warspite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/othello_warspite/32/146796_2.png) [@Othello\_Warspite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Othello_Warspite)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/25 "2021-06-11T12:12:45Z")
As it happens, there is a documented case of an aircraft carrier being sunk by a single torpedo: [USS Albacore (SS-218) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Albacore_(SS-218)#The_sinking_of_Taih%C5%8D) Akagi was sunk by a combination of damage from a near miss and ONE bomb at Midway. Archer-fish sank the largest carrier ever sunk in a single spread of torps, which is the EVE equivalent of a supercarrier getting alpha’ed by a stealth bomber using its torp bonus. Real life never took a “lucky” shot to kill a ship with a smaller ship using heavy weapons. It took courage and skill to deliver the weapons effectively. ---
**Author:** ![Spitfire1938](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spitfire1938/32/474648_2.png) [@Spitfire1938](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spitfire1938)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/26 "2021-06-11T15:37:42Z")
Uhhhhhh. HAW Phoenix would like to saw hello. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/27 "2021-06-13T05:48:08Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/f/b/bfb9e89e920d5ed20058ef77578b6f10a524bda3.jpeg "Negh'var vs Defiant - Star Trek Ds9") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-P6L5JGf24) ---
**Author:** ![Glyken\_Touchon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glyken_touchon/32/431685_2.png) [@Glyken\_Touchon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glyken_Touchon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/28 "2021-06-13T14:45:10Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whbdy-rq-I4) ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/29 "2021-06-13T17:45:46Z")
I do love me some Star Trek, but with all that plot armor the Defiant is hardly a fair test for target practice. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/30 "2021-06-30T05:41:45Z")
Suggestion updated 30/06/2021. Check the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/31 "2021-06-30T10:08:43Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Suggestion updated 30/06/2021. Check the OP. And it’s still a bad suggestion. Bring subcapital ships for support if you want to fly your capital ship effectively in pvp combat. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capital-ships-should-be-capital-hull-gun-size-damage-penalty-multiplier/315703/32 "2021-09-28T10:09:09Z")
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