# Capsuleer Corruption: Calling Out the Enemies of Humanity **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957 "2020-05-29T00:37:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/187 "2020-06-01T20:01:48Z")
How many people are there in all those ice and barren planets? The Caldari have certain expertise in evacuating a whole planet, Raravoss in Amarr territory, Caldari and Amarr are allies… Definitely not unfeasible. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/188 "2020-06-01T23:18:44Z")
Maybe check your history on what was involved in the Caldari Prime evacuation, Ms. Tsukiyo. It wasn’t a quick, easy thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ascentior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ascentior/32/266358_2.png) [@Ascentior](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ascentior)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/189 "2020-06-02T00:06:15Z")
Do you also believe that to study water would be to help cracks in dams become fissures? These unknown invaders do no currently have a secure foothold in our cluster. Allowing them to do so, without knowing their intention, may very well remove the chance to ever prevent their intent. For good or ill. It is true that EDENCOM have not been able to prove the final intention of these invaders. Yet these invaders have proven wholly capable of communicating, and have CHOSEN not to tell us of their final intention. Surely if their intent was for the betterment of humanity, they would have every incentive to show us. You aren’t a scientist, you’re a child with a match who found some fuel and wants to see what happens when the two mix on someone else’s doorstep. Leave the thinking to people who have learned to understand consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/190 "2020-06-02T00:40:09Z")
Stars below, Uriel, don’t make me agree with Ascentior. Nbbody should _ever_ do that, but here you are, forcing me to do it… gaaah. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/191 "2020-06-02T01:12:11Z")
![2020.06.01.21.19.15](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/2/02ce446250f94000048729dd1be38796bf7963da.jpeg) > [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](#): > > If it’s still something awful, a thing I’m not strongly swayed toward anymore in all honesty > [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](#): > > the Triglav might perhaps be the most merciful route by far > [@Trii\_Seo](#): > > History will be the judge. Ours and yours. > [@Trii\_Seo](#): > > better to learn the monster we don’t know to make a choice later > [@Nicholas\_Kondur](#): > > I’m ashamed to not be on the list with my brothers and sisters, bathing in the glory that is Triglav. > [@Sicor\_Vulpens](#): > > we _will_ be remembered as part of the liberating forces of New Eden. > [@Trii\_Seo](#): > > Both sides in this conflict have something to offer for our various involvement. > [@Demerlis](#): > > This has nothing to do with being against humanity. This is for science! > [@Chechessia\_Kelmalu](#): > > Humanity! What a concept. If this galaxy is an example of “humanity” then it might not even be worth the effort. > [@HiFrameMe](#): > > One day you fools will see the light be it willingly or not is of no concern to the collective ! > [@Wyrm\_Limion](#): > > I have my personal reasons for supporting Triglav which is my business and my right as a Capsuleer. > > Insulting ones choice as idiotic just because you don’t agree with it is in and of itself, idiotic. Your “science,” your “personal reasons,” and whatever the Triglavians have to offer you can go to hell. The only thing you’ve all got right is that we all _will_ be remembered for our actions, and it won’t pan out like some of you seem to think. For Triglavian supporers… Take a good look at that star and think about what you’ve all supported. For those who claim neutrality… Take a good look at that star and think about who’s the ‘bad guys’ in this conflict. For those who support EDENCOM… Take a good look at that star and realize that we have a rough road and much more work ahead of us throughout the cluster. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/192 "2020-06-02T01:13:56Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Maybe check your history on what was involved in the Caldari Prime evacuation, Ms. Tsukiyo. It wasn’t a quick, easy thing. Precisely because it was _hard_, it was _arduous_ and it was _difficult_, that we know how to get it _done_. Who in the cluster would be better suited for something like this, even with all the updated protocols after the Seilyn incident? Regarding Raravoss, i have it on my heart that you are not comparing a temperate capital homeworld under orbital bombardment during wartime with the colonies on hostile definitely not human friendly planets in terms of the ammount of human lives or the difficulty of the task at hand. > [@Ascentior](#): > > and have CHOSEN not to tell us of their final intention Or did we simply chose to ignore it, disagree with it or misunderstand it? They sure as hell spoke more to us than the Drifters, and yet you do not see such an offensive apparatus against them by Concord. Actually, when did Concord told anyone about their “final intentions” ? If the criteria is secrecy, then any organization is a potential threat. > [@Ascentior](#): > > You aren’t a scientist, you’re a child with a match who found some fuel and wants to see what happens when the two mix on someone else’s doorstep. He does appear to have a fire extinguisher available in terms of organizational resources. ARC is doing a lot regarding the Triglavian situation, plus everyone else. > [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > The only thing you’ve all got right is that we all _will_ be remembered for our actions, and it won’t pan out like some of you seem to think. For a while perhaps. We have ancients returnig to us, ancients that have been forgotten and we can only see their trails and gadgets, and a mistery of where the hell did we came from. Humanity have a knack for selective memory, old or new alike. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Revenent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_revenent/32/414772_2.png) [@John\_Revenent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Revenent)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/193 "2020-06-02T01:51:20Z")
You’re nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/194 "2020-06-02T03:43:49Z")
Words spur actions. On your radar or not, I will ensure the Triglavians will find a rightful home once again in New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/195 "2020-06-02T05:03:31Z")
Golly gee mom but all the “edgy” kids are fighting for Team Triangle. Why can’t I do it too? 🙄 _Unbelievable_. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/196 "2020-06-02T06:01:39Z")
I’ve moved the list to an [external galnet page](http://dysnomianera.com/list/) due to its size. Some names have been added as well and I’ve started identifying _groups_ that seem to support Triglavians especially hard as a collective effort. ---
**Author:** ![Kargal\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kargal_shard/32/209203_2.png) [@Kargal\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kargal_Shard)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/197 "2020-06-02T08:53:47Z")
Also, considering loss of life so far: When CONCORD pulled out of Raravoss, capsuleers poured in in their hundreds into the system, and started a shootfest that is _still_ continuing now, currently resulting in more civilian deaths than the entirety of the Triglavian actions so far, all for, quote, “fun”. If you want an enemy of humanity, look no further than the capsuleers in general. ---
**Author:** ![Sicor\_Vulpens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sicor_vulpens/32/318789_2.png) [@Sicor\_Vulpens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sicor_Vulpens)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/198 "2020-06-02T08:55:09Z")
Oh, Arsia. If you think telling us to look at the star will make us “repent”, you’re sorely mistaken. We are **constantly** looking at the star. Our eyes **never** point elsewhere. It is always day for us, bathed in the ever-darker glow of Raravoss. Maybe you shall look at the star once more. ![unknown-7](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/2/82fa2d41e68c60128c1aaab79378edcc089bca5f.jpeg) Do you see it? **Change**. What a taboo concept in “New” Eden. We all admire your commitment to “The List” - I for one surely do. But beware in your search for supporting groups. You’ll find a black abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/199 "2020-06-02T08:58:58Z")
> [@Kargal\_Shard](#): > > If you want an enemy of humanity, look no further than the capsuleers in general. Hard agree. Many capsuleers are awful… such as, but not limited to the ones helping the Triglavs. Why do people try to justify their evil actions by saying “groups x, y, or z are as also bad!” Regardless of other groups _also_ doing wrong, your actions are still _wrong._ Every single ■■■■■■■ faction and group in the entire cluster could be pure evil, but your actions would _still_ be wrong. > [@Sicor\_Vulpens](#): > > But beware in your search for supporting groups. You’ll find a black abyss. I’d stand against that which I see as wrong even if it was just me doing so. Thankfully it hasn’t been. ---
**Author:** ![Kargal\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kargal_shard/32/209203_2.png) [@Kargal\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kargal_Shard)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/200 "2020-06-02T09:16:19Z")
Yet so far the capsuleers have been committing far worse acts compared to us Trig supporters. So far there’s little evidence that the Trigs have murdered anyone in cold blood, while both the capsuleers and the empires who make them, do so _daily_. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/201 "2020-06-02T09:21:54Z")
> [@Kargal\_Shard](#): > > So far there’s little evidence that the Trigs have murdered anyone in cold blood I assume you believe this invasion is being conducted with hugs and kisses by the Triglavians, and no one has ever lost a ship to them even when not engaging in any kind of hostilities, since they have started probing our space. But again, the ills of Capsuleers does not justify another kind of ill. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/202 "2020-06-02T09:22:36Z")
> [@Kargal\_Shard](#): > > So far there’s little evidence that the Trigs have murdered anyone in cold blood, [Oh really?](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-lights-going-out-across-new-eden-edition/) > [@](#): > > **AEGIS Estimates Fatalities from Triglavian Planetary and Station Raiding at “Several Hundred Thousands”** So almost a year ago, they had already killed several hundred thousand with their invasions. They’re only hitting more often and harder these days… ---
**Author:** ![Kargal\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kargal_shard/32/209203_2.png) [@Kargal\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kargal_Shard)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/203 "2020-06-02T09:23:33Z")
Rookie numbers compared to all four empires _and_ the capsuleers. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/204 "2020-06-02T09:24:12Z")
Once again… > [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > Why do people try to justify their evil actions by saying “groups x, y, or z are as also bad!” Regardless of other groups _also_ doing wrong, your actions are still _wrong._ Every single ■■■■■■■ faction and group in the entire cluster could be pure evil, but your actions would _still_ be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kargal\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kargal_shard/32/209203_2.png) [@Kargal\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kargal_Shard)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/205 "2020-06-02T09:25:37Z")
What I’m saying is that you can’t call anyone a traitor to humanity when it looks like so far nobody is on the side _of_ humanity. Even Humanity itself. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/206 "2020-06-02T09:27:08Z")
It’s obvious that most capsuleers do in fact lose much of their humanity. That was true long before the Triglavians ever came onto the scene. Still, some of us pride ourselves on holding onto ours. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957.md?page=11)