# Capsuleer Corruption: Calling Out the Enemies of Humanity **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957 "2020-05-29T00:37:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/127 "2020-05-30T10:15:36Z")
I don’t understand his point at all. Just like that Jove dressing maniac Borkstar, there is nothing noble or understandable about contributing to attacking a system and then calling it a sacrifice in the name of knowledge. It’s not his sacrifice, it is _others_ he’s helped _impose_ upon that have had to make it. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/128 "2020-05-30T10:15:43Z")
There are many discussions to be had. Looks like I’m gonna be busy. ---
**Author:** ![Sicor\_Vulpens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sicor_vulpens/32/318789_2.png) [@Sicor\_Vulpens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sicor_Vulpens)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/129 "2020-05-30T10:47:59Z")
Same here comrade. But worry not: we _will_ be remembered as part of the liberating forces of New Eden. Just you wait until our efforts as Blessed Kybernauts will kick-start a new era. _Glory to Trigla\/._ From blue ashes, a red dawn awaits us. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/130 "2020-05-30T13:17:42Z")
What he’s saying is: A) They’re _going_ to win at least one of these. B) The more we know about what happens when they do, the better—especially if a Trig victory turns out to actually endanger the lives of residents in a significant way. C) Better we learn WTF that actually means in an isolated, out-of-the-way backwater where we have half a chance of evacuating the civilian population than say… in _Amarr_. In effect, it’s like an experimental munitions trial: set one off where it can hurt the fewest people, so you know just how badly you need to avoid it going off in downtown Caille. And it makes sense, really. Ideally, yes, you wouldn’t want to do this where innocent lives are at stake. You’d want controlled conditions. You’d want laboratory testing first. The Trigs aren’t giving us those options, so he’s working with the choices he’s got. But hey, look on the bright side, Utari! Anyplace the Trigs actually _win_ is someplace where the null blocs can slaughter every frikkin’ egger who helped them, with impunity. Edit for clarity: It makes sense **within his parameters**. I am not in any way encouraging or supporting such behavior, as I find his underlying parameters unconvincing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/131 "2020-05-30T13:18:41Z")
Divided we stand, and further we divide… The Triglavians stand against our common enemies, but they stand against _us_ at the same time… Those who call themselves “Kybernauts” are largely straw-anarchist windbags full of so much ■■■■ that it must be clogging up their organs, but the mysteries of the Triglavians, and furthermore their military power and versatility, cannot be denied. I can’t shake a feeling that dividing us like this was part of their plan all along. Whether they intend to follow through on their intimations of welcoming “Kybernauts” into the fold or not, every Capsuleer supporting the Triglavians is a Capsuleer _not opposing them_, and when I look at this ■■■■■■■ list, I can’t stop wondering exactly how _aware_ the Triglavians are of our collective tendencies toward division. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/132 "2020-05-30T13:33:49Z")
There is no greater Scripture than this: > “I give to you the destiny of Faith, > And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: > Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given.” > _- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13_ And there is no greater _sin_ than treasonously giving away that which has been Reclaimed — no matter how barren — to the enemy. It is incumbent upon all Amarr Loyalists everywhere to declare ARC an _Enemy of the Empire and of God_ and set standings accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/133 "2020-05-30T13:37:53Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > It is incumbent upon all Amarr Loyalists everywhere to declare ARC an _Enemy of the Empire and of God_ and set standings accordingly. Ohhh, I’m your enemy now? After all your complaints about us getting along, you’re drawing a line? ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/134 "2020-05-30T14:10:31Z")
Worry not about me, madam; look closer to home. It is one thing for a Lord to have a Minmatar mistress; that is a sin, yet a minor and regrettably common one. It is quite another thing, though, for a Lord to have a Minmatar mistress who is an _Enemy of the Empire and of God_. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/135 "2020-05-30T14:13:29Z")
Wow. Just wow. I’m so hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/136 "2020-05-30T14:16:16Z")
🍿 Yay, let us all find _new_ reasons to destroy each other, because surely the old ones were not enough. _Brother will kill brother, spread blood across the land…_ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/137 "2020-05-30T14:22:28Z")
Hang on, weren’t you just telling people to _help_ the Trigs? You do understand that they don’t _care_ which empire they’re attacking, right? That they consider the Amarr just as inferior as they do _everyone else_? You are such an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/138 "2020-05-30T14:23:28Z")
> [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](#): > > I’m not here to refute my involvement, but rather to elaborate on it. > > However, I’d first like to make it clear that I am no loyalist of this invading faction; to declare allegiance to a force whose goals we do not yet understand as a way to throw reject the “oppression” of CONCORD and the Empires is, in my opinion, foolhardy. > > We simply _do not know what will happen._ > > I’ve been processing in the system of Raravoss, observing and, yes, participating in efforts to advance Triglavian influence over the system and its Blue star. I seek to accurately understand the final aim of the Invasions: the attainment of a state of _ **“Final Liminality”** _, which involves the manipulation and penetration of Glory-Immanence stars for an as-yet unknown purpose. > > _ **Ravaross** _ is a relatively outlying system in Amarr space with nary a single temperate world or station (save for a few Capsuleer citadels) to its name - instead encompassing only sterile, barren worlds and gaseous spheres. Compared to other targets, it is in essence _empty_. It is my intention to aid in progressing Ravaross alone into Final Liminality as a way to identify the end result of a Triglavian Invasion, in order to illuminate the branches of the path that spreads out ahead of us and to unveil the goals of the Triglavian Collective. > > The Triglav seek to re-establish themselves in the Ancient Domains, in part in an effort to fight their “Ancient Enemy” in the Drifters and to quite literally _erase_ Sansha’s Nation. The Drifters pilfered Nullsec and absconded with _ **BILLIONS** _ of baseliner mortals, doomed to be used to bolster the Tyrannos military machine - either as people, or as biomass; and Nation is the only group in the history of New Eden to have incurred the unprecedented wrath of all _five_ Yulai Conference signatories in united, unanimous opposition of their way of life, for reasons that are very apparent. > > Should the successful Dazh-claiming of Ravaross by the Triglav turn be worse than the Drifters and Sansha, I’ll do whatever I can to block the Flow of Vyraj from proceeding through Liminalities in any other system. > > Should they instead turn out to be less a threat than the _proclaimed **paramount enemies of the united Triglav civilization** _, however, then a road on which we might work in parallel with them becomes a bit brighter. > > * * * > > _ **The Arataka Research Consortium** _ was founded as a collaborative environment for those who seek to uncover the mysteries of New Eden, and from the beginning has striven to foster the same inquisitive spirit that once fueled the _ **Arek’Jaalan Initiative** _. > > To unilaterally support EDENCOM, with no allowance for the ascertaintion of the true nature and goals of the Triglav, a _living extension_ of the mysteries of our past and precursors, would be an utter betrayal of that spirit. > > I plan to continue seeking out and sharing whatever knowledge I can obtain. > My honest, sincere apologies to those who see this as irredeemable. That system is sovereign territory of the Amarr Empire. You have no right to play games with it for your _experiments_. It doesn’t matter how unpopulated or unimportant you might think it is, you have no right. You are an enemy of the empires of New Eden by your actions. Do not try to play yourself up as some scientist or hero. Anyone that actually wants to analyze what they are doing, can participate in laboratory experiments and simulations that actual scientists are doing right now, instead of helping a foreign invader destroy our systems. Thank you, Arsia, for revealing these traitors. I hope that ARC will take the step to remove Uriel from their employ, lest they mark themselves all as supporters of Triglavian invaders. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/139 "2020-05-30T14:25:02Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Hang on, weren’t you just telling people to _help_ the Trigs? I never advocated helping the Triglavian demons invading Amarr space. Those should be resisted to the utmost. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/140 "2020-05-30T14:40:24Z")
ARC is dealing with the matter internally and we ask for patience while we make the necessary inquires. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Plato\_Idari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plato_idari/32/380878_2.png) [@Plato\_Idari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Plato_Idari)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/141 "2020-05-30T15:29:53Z")
While I might not agree with Uriel, I appreciate the logic he followed to reach his decisions. We are all dealing with a chaotic emergent situation. In such circumstances its not unusual for some people to be led astray by a path of reasoning that seems logical at the time but doesn’t hold up to considered scrutiny. We should be encouraging such people to return to the side of edencom not throwing them out in the cold dark. ---
**Author:** ![Ami\_Tso](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ami_tso/32/445544_2.png) [@Ami\_Tso](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ami_Tso)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/142 "2020-05-30T15:46:54Z")
Crazy way of research caused controversy… ---
**Author:** ![Kargal\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kargal_shard/32/209203_2.png) [@Kargal\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kargal_Shard)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/143 "2020-05-30T16:26:10Z")
Judging from what I saw of the recent actions in Raravoss and Warough, that list needs to be longer by about 400 people. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/144 "2020-05-30T16:42:40Z")
It’s all the same trigs, you moron. Success in one area gives them more resources to use elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Veskin\_Sentinel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veskin_sentinel/32/506480_2.png) [@Veskin\_Sentinel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veskin_Sentinel)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/145 "2020-05-30T17:11:31Z")
This whole situation has been a crazy storm of events right from the start. If the Triglavians had good intentions, they would make a _normal_ first contact with us, you know, face to face. No idea what happened with the crew of that Triglavians vessel that was initially captured by SARO/CONCORD some time ago, but it must have gotten terribly wrong. Then they hacked our fluid router network, something that should be entirely unnecessary if they are capable to speak our language and communicate verbally. And what did they broadcast? A cryptic message with vague promise of “glorification of the fit” and “mortification of the unfit”, like they have something that we may want, then pointing out the initial standings they have with us and Drifters and Sansha and Rogue Drones. And then they step up and invade in full force. What is it that they want? If they wanted to settle in our space, where the conditions are far less harsh than Abyssal Deadspace, where they come from, looking to have rest from their “Struggle”, then why don’t they just SAY SO? You know, peacefully, I am sure we will understand. Instead, they keep talking about that “Proving”, invited us in the Abyss, tested our combat prowess, then they invade left and right. How can they even be trusted? Well maybe they are just insane. Maybe centuries of prolonged struggle in the harsh environment we found them in, has somehow twisted their minds? To a point where they started to punch each other in the face for a greeting and fighting each other to the death in order to “prove” themselves worthy of something? And they brought that twisted mindset all along? Maybe they will come to their senses when we kick their butts? But certainly they cannot be trusted. Not after all they have done so far. Uriel, you are walking on thin ice. Better stop this experiment, before you regret the outcome. This crazy thing that is interfering with the star can’t be good. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957/146 "2020-05-30T17:36:41Z")
Uriel has one thing right, though. We need to know what’s going on. Local reports are full of hyperbole, tinfoil, and outright scams. We sure af are not getting any information out of CONCORD. By this point I’m pretty sure the fact the officials are not giving us info is not because they are secretive, but because _they don’t have it_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capsuleer-corruption-calling-out-the-enemies-of-humanity/244957.md?page=8)