# Carriers too stronk! WAAAAAH! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 8, 2020, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219 "2020-02-08T11:24:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/103 "2020-02-14T19:44:42Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > It’s in the launcher. I’ve never seen it. But if so, then I stand corrected (I’ll take your word for it). ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/104 "2020-02-14T19:45:16Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > I’ve never seen it. But if so, then I stand corrected Well, it is new: > **[25% Off Omega for Additional Accounts | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/25-off-omega-for-additional-accounts)** > > It's that time of year where showing affection is important! ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/105 "2020-02-14T19:51:31Z")
Then I stand corrected. Will unsub if that’s how you’re supposed to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/106 "2020-02-14T19:57:06Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Will unsub if that’s how you’re supposed to play the game. Personally, I think this is just a bad wording on CCP side, that can be used for trolling now. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/107 "2020-02-14T20:24:50Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Will unsub Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/108 "2020-02-14T20:27:50Z")
Ouch! Got me! ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/109 "2020-02-14T21:00:18Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Oh look. Yet another little troll coming in to post what he believes to be little annoying ‘putdowns’ that he believes increases his social status in the eyes of… who? You have to admit, though … it’s funny. 😃 Just look at what you’ve written! > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > First off, I’m not a troll, although I am accused of being one on every post. Don’t get me wrong, there ARE a lot of trolls on this forum, and you can see them posting in this very post. Freud would be having a field day! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/110 "2020-02-14T21:14:46Z")
OP, you are right, as a player who used carrier a lot in the past, the last nerf to fighter application was a step too far. I stopped using them at that point. That you cannot kill a single AFK ratting Ishtar with a full rack of fighters says just what a terrible job CCP did once again. Perhaps now that they finally fixed cyno’s they can reverse that last nerf to fighters. One can always hope. And no you are not trolling, you are telling it as it is. PS Sol has never used carriers, but he can tell you how to use Thrashers in Hek… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Pleiadian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_pleiadian/32/368732_2.png) [@Adrian\_Pleiadian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Pleiadian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/111 "2020-02-14T22:16:25Z")
you had a max dps fit? I have quickly learned in eve max dps is only useful if youre shooting targets slower than you. ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Pleiadian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_pleiadian/32/368732_2.png) [@Adrian\_Pleiadian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Pleiadian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/112 "2020-02-14T22:22:52Z")
I have watched a fair share of eve pvp videos and saw ppl running ridiculous tank fits capable to go against up to 10 other guys in subcap ships. You could have very well ran into a not so afk max skilled bling tank fitted ishtar with a guy having fun maximizing his shield rep and pretending to be afk just cause its eve ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/113 "2020-02-14T23:12:35Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That you cannot kill a single AFK ratting Ishtar with a full rack of fighters says just what a terrible job CCP did once again. Some dude in a battleship couldn’t either AFK Ishtar either. Apparently he’s experienced in PvP. See video linked somewhere above. ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/114 "2020-02-14T23:17:02Z")
I’m not sure why the idea of ships being good at some things and worse at others is a foreign concept to you. Carriers are massive, slow, have bad damage application, etc. but can project that damage further than any other ship and have absurd utility. Those aren’t the strengths you need for killing cruisers solo. If you insist on a capital, why not use a HAW dred? I won’t dissuade you from making poor decisions with expensive, lumbering ships. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/115 "2020-02-14T23:24:58Z")
> [@Aetran\_Molou](#): > > I’m not sure why the idea of ships being good at some things and worse at others is a foreign concept to you. It isn’t. Taking the idea too far is a foreign concept to me. Saying we will have ships differentiated into industrials, combat, mining, etc. is one thing. That’s having some ships being good at some things and worse at others. Saying “capships are only for group use” is another thing entirely. Even worse, saying they are only for group use, and only for use by nullsec’ers (special toys for special groups of people) is even worse yet again. Nevermind saying battleships are only for running level 4 missions. Certain groups who hate certain ships try to severely restrict their usage so most people can’t use them in most situations. That is a foreign concept to me, and bad game design. > [@](#): > > If you insist on a capital, why not use a HAW dred? I won’t dissuade you from making poor decisions with expensive, lumbering ships. I have one, if you must know, and I’m saving for another 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/116 "2020-02-14T23:30:37Z")
And your point is…? **I** never said that battleships are for level 4s only. What I’m saying is that carriers are don’t need to be buffed to make them solo-pvp cruiser-killers, because they’re already super capable at what they do. Why do you think they’re used in fleet-fights? No ship should ever be perfect at everything it does, no matter how big or expensive. Not sure why you’re lumping me into some strawman of a “nano gang” boogieman. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/117 "2020-02-14T23:39:05Z")
> [@Aetran\_Molou](#): > > And your point is…? **I** never said that battleships are for level 4s only. I know. **I** said that. Well, I quoted nano-gangers as saying that. It’s an example of the mentality of “ships being good at certain things, and worse at others” but taken to extreme. You asked what my problem with this concept was. I answered that I didn’t have a problem with the concept, until taken to extremes as some do. > [@](#): > > What I’m saying is that carriers are don’t need to be buffed to make them solo-pvp cruiser-killers… I never said they did. I didn’t say anything on this matter. > [@](#): > > Not sure why you’re lumping me into some strawman of a “nano gang” boogieman. You gave the _EXACT_ talking points and rallying cry of these people. “Bigger should not equal better!” They said this a million times when crusading against battleships, then a million more times when crusading against capships. I even stated this rallying cry somewhere above, before you even said it. Perhaps you’ve bought into their propaganda without even realizing it. Here’s an excerpt from my post above, around #55 or so (emphasis added): > [@](#): > > “Nano gang” people think they should be able to kill anything in the game with their small ships. They have several rallying cries to this effect, for instance **“bigger should not mean better!”** They think a frigate which takes almost no skilling and no time and costs almost no ISK should be able to solo a dreadnought or carrier or titan. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/118 "2020-02-14T23:45:27Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > a million times literally ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/119 "2020-02-14T23:49:28Z")
Aw man… you caught me with a zinger 😡 ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/120 "2020-02-15T00:00:56Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > “Nano gang” … able to solo Not being funny but… “gang” kind of means “not solo”. Just pointing that out cos that’s the level this thread has fallen to and I didn’t want this thread locked before I said something like this. #inb4lock ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/121 "2020-02-15T01:48:49Z")
Is this what you are quoting? > [@](#): > > They think a frigate which takes almost no skilling and no time and costs almost no ISK should be able to solo a dreadnought or carrier or titan. ‘Frigate’ is singular in that sentence. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/122 "2020-02-15T01:50:59Z")
No. I quoted what I was quoting. That’s why I quoted that quote and not your quote. Bc quoting. #quoted [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219.md?page=7)