# Carriers too stronk! WAAAAAH! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 8, 2020, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219 "2020-02-08T11:24:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Alaric\_Faelen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alaric_faelen/32/187278_2.png) [@Alaric\_Faelen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alaric_Faelen)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/123 "2020-02-20T15:46:34Z")
Well this thread spun off to the kid’s dinner table. Back to the OP,…again… I also think there is a case of bandwagon blaming going on. It’s funny that so many of the people hating on null sec and carrier ratting are themselves ratters or mission runners that never expose themselves to the slightest risk and are therefore creating ‘free isk’ far worse than any carrier ratter. Pot meet kettle. The ONLY reason we in null sec aren’t simply squatting in some L4 hub and getting our free isk is because of war decs. We only rat at home because we have rescue there, not because it pays better. If all we wanted was isk- we’d squat in newbie space (high sec) doing newbie content forever and never lose a ship. I am always shocked at how high sec has changed on the rare occasion I ever go there. A T1 anything has become the exception to the blingy faction/T2 ship norm now. Newbies on these forums are asking how to use their billion isk ships before they even understand how they work. But sure…the problem with Eve’s economy is all in null sec carrier ratting…riiiiiiight. CCP just knows that they can get away with abusing null sec. We aren’t a pack of alphas trying out this game. We are the people with years sunk into Eve, usually multiple accounts, and the Sunk Cost Fallacy means we aren’t just going to walk away wholesale regardless of how hostile CCP becomes. So CCP can make our lives miserable while letting high sec get away with worse. Before I went back to null I did L4’s in a gazillion isk Marauder that I would never think to fly in null sec, made bank with zero risk, then sold it for more than I paid for it. Tell me again how carrier ratting is the cancer eating at Eve’s economy. Cry to me some more about super umbrellas making it ‘too safe’ to make isk. I’ll be over here on the floor laughing with a dead Rorq pilot and the Bomber’s Bar gang that blapped him. While the high sec guy isn’t even looking at local and probably doesn’t know how the D-Scan even works while making his billions. But carrier ratting…that’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/124 "2020-02-20T16:12:31Z")
Oh good, a new straw man argument. Not quite as much misplaced sarcasm as the original post, but good effort. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/125 "2020-02-21T03:00:06Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Oh good, a new straw man argument. Not quite as much misplaced sarcasm as the original post, but good effort. Oh good, a new troll reply from the forum troll in-chief. Anyway… > [@Alaric\_Faelen](#): > > Before I went back to null I did L4’s in a gazillion isk Marauder that I would never think to fly in null sec, made bank with zero risk, then sold it for more than I paid for it. Tell me again how carrier ratting is the cancer eating at Eve’s economy. Level 4s? You forgot the most obvious highsec offender of them all - incursions. I took a cut in pay from high-sec incursions to rat in null. And a serious jump in risk. The last couple of nights when I had a window to play, I couldn’t do any ratting or money-making at all, because of neuts cruising around ready to call in drops. Note that I’m not complaining - nullsec should be dangerous, and I have no problem with that whatsoever. I’m just comparing it to highsec. I made a lot more ISK running incursions in highsec, with zero risk. Yeah, it was more inconvenient, because I had to queue-up to get in fleet, post fit, do this, do that. But I definitely made more, and there was never any downtime because of neuts in pocket or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/126 "2020-02-21T10:32:11Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Oh good, a new troll reply from the forum troll in-chief. Oi! That is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/127 "2020-02-21T10:58:03Z")
OP, sorry but your story seems unclear to me 1. which kind of damages were you dealing ? and, since ishtar was ratting, he probably had max resists for the damage dealt by npcs. Which fighters were you using? did you pay attention to unmatching your damages and his resists? 2. you killed his drones. But which kind of drones? did he drop sentries? if yes, being able to kill sentries is normal, and has nothing to deal with hitting an overprop ishtar 3. “he regenerated completely”? maybe he used his ADC… so tldr: your story does not imply anythg about “carriers are not OP, they are not even able to kill a ratting cruiser” ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/128 "2020-02-21T16:29:01Z")
Dont Null Sec ratters keep other characters in High and Low for when they want to make safer cash and there’s neuts all up in their turf, dawg? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/129 "2020-02-21T16:55:30Z")
I am still trying to figure out why they need so much isk. ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/130 "2020-03-04T13:02:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Dont Null Sec ratters keep other characters in High and Low for when they want to make safer cash and there’s neuts all up in their turf, dawg? Please don’t laugh, but it is indeed the case with the Vets. My oldest guys in the Corp all have several alts in the HS to relax. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/131 "2020-03-04T13:25:39Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Well, I just provided a real life scenario where I found an AFK ratter I wanted to kill, and I tried to use a carrier to kill the guy (HE WASN’T EVEN AT THE KEYBOARD!), and couldn’t. You’d think that if the carrier was **THAT** OP, it could practically kill things with the pilot being AFK, right? I look at it this way: you’ve obviously been a carrier pilot, and strongly concerned about the power of carriers, for years now. (Your own post saying “nerfed carriers, so I quit subbing for a year” etc.) Now, it’s taken you years to find and post an example where your carrier did **not** look OP. And it’s an extreme example of exactly the sort of thing you would expect a carrier to struggle with - applying enough damage to kill a fast, small, super-high regen ship well known for being OP in those areas. The fact that it took you that long to come up with an example you could complain about, when you’re well known for posting threads that _border_ on trollishness for exaggeration and hyperbole, says all I need to know about the OP-ness of carriers. On a side note, to your exaggerated point of “well no point flying carriers then, just train for an Ishtar”: feel free to train into one, then go attack an AFK carrier set up for high EHP regen and see how long it takes you to kill it. Then you can come back and whine about how your fancy new cruiser is useless and everybody complained til it got nerfed into the ground, and you should just fly a carrier instead since they’re unkillable. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/133 "2020-03-04T19:30:53Z")
> [@Neeri\_Norian](#): > > For everyone who thinks that carriers are OP Sabus probably didn’t tell you, but he is looking more to Rorquals in highsec, not carrier rebalance. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/134 "2020-03-04T19:33:28Z")
Gosh, neeri norian /naari naarian / noori naarian / sabus narian…it is really strange how anybody might suspect you are the same person when you post the same opinions using the same terminology and link to a post by sabus narian… Really strange… ---
**Author:** ![Rat\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rat_foambreaker/32/190404_2.png) [@Rat\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rat_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/135 "2020-03-04T19:44:49Z")
Really, how would they know? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/136 "2020-03-04T19:46:58Z")
Wow, where is the salt? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/137 "2020-03-04T20:45:18Z")
> [@Neeri\_Norian](#): > > For everyone who thinks that carriers are OP go vote for capitals to be balanced for highsec and allowed in highsec: [Allow full access to capitals in highsec combined with a broad ehp nerf across all capital hulls](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164) > > If capitals are balanced for highsec they won’t be OP anymore, everyone wins but bittervets. Does anybody doubt Sabus logged in to the wrong account? ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/138 "2020-03-05T00:20:28Z")
[[Album] Imgur ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/d/8d5605b76f8830acc73a80cf7494102f436a1bab.jpeg "Imgur") ](https://imgur.com/a/t5L8kPA) Shut up Sabus ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/139 "2020-03-05T03:49:43Z")
Don’t worry, @Sabus_Narian is going to run for CSM and address carrier and capital issues! He has my enthusiastic support! ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/140 "2020-03-05T21:49:28Z")
> Don’t worry, @Sabus_Narian is going to run for CSM and address carrier and capital issues! He has my enthusiastic support! 👍 Xuxe ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/141 "2020-03-06T01:58:15Z")
> [@Nepsy](#): > > Look at just how OP carriers are. Able to effortlessly generate 60m/hour by murdering innocent NPCs and contributing to the inflation of isk in EvE. Carriers should be changed so they can’t damage NPCs in anoms 60 mil an hour is an ishtar ratting. …60 mil a tick with a carrier is possible, but unlikely, and is FAR from effortless. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/142 "2020-03-06T02:04:03Z")
You sound a lot like a bot-aspirant. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carriers-too-stronk-waaaaah/218219/143 "2020-03-08T04:58:48Z")
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