# CCP: An alternative to microtransactions for growing CCP's income **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 20, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334 "2019-02-20T15:04:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/61 "2019-02-21T20:26:21Z")
@CCP_Falcon i thought troll posts were against the forum rules, care to intervene here? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/62 "2019-02-24T11:05:37Z")
You’re using “freeloaders” wrong, and no, it’s not open for discussion. People who PLEX their accounts aren’t freeloaders. They PLEX their accounts, thus are paying something. Alphas are freeloaders. They do nothing to support this game, yet they can play. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/63 "2019-02-24T17:41:53Z")
Solstice “Dictionary attacks” like this are a waste of space. I used “freeloader” instead of saying something like this early on: _It’s obvious to anyone that some “PLEX buyers” represent RL money that CCP are leaving on the table._ That fact is independent of how CCP have implemented trials, which are an (almost) essential part of the sales process for an MMO game. It’s of no consequence that one word can be used for both, and meaningless too, because it’s slightly different meanings of the word. It _could_ be interesting to discuss how much money potential they represent (if any - if too many stopped playing it could induce a loss of revenue), how CCP could get their hands on some of that money, etc … … but as it’s turned out, this thread hasn’t been all that interesting. OTOH nor has it cost CCP much RL money, and I learned something about accounting 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/64 "2019-02-24T19:58:19Z")
Why is this an attack now? You can’t just invent meaning for words that already have one. Someone who pays something (time, or money) can not, in any way or form, be a freeloader. You caught my attention especially because I’m using that word too. Okay, I would have posted this anyway, because that’s what I do, but still … I use it correclty, you don’t. You potentially cause confusion by using it wrong. That’s not okay, because not giving a ■■■■ about others understanding you is not okay. That’s how it works. There really is no room for discussion. Communication really only works as long as everyone’s on the same page regarding the meanings and definitions of words. The more people make up their own meanings and definitions, the less others understand what he actually meant, causing misunderstandings and useless fights. Instead of freeloader, you could have spent two more seconds thinking of a better term … but you didn’t. So instead you wasted a huge amount of time, comparatively, just because you ignored the fact that people who PLEX can’t be freeloaders. The big thing behind all of this, is that it is now more likely that this isn’t the only case when you make things up. Redefine words. “Inaccuracies”. There’s also the chance that you did it intentionally, to put some people into a specific frame. Or you might “ignore” other things as well, you know? All of this, just because you think it’s okay to butcher language like this. It isn’t. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/65 "2019-02-24T20:24:29Z")
Solstice Some logic for you: Both lasses of player who do not provide revenue for CCP (Alphas and PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omegas) can reasonably be called freeloaders. That doesn’t make those two classes of player identical though. But this has been useful all the same. Let’s add a new term to EVE crypto-speech: “Freeloading Omegas”. For example I think this works reasonably well: “_CCP coould probably generate significant extra revenue from freeloading Omegas_”. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/66 "2019-02-24T20:29:57Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Let’s add a new term to EVE crypto-speech: “Freeloading Omegas”. Let’s not. It’s meaningless, designed only to let you talk nonsense as if it actually made sense. If you pay, in any way whatsoever, you are not “freeloading” - pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/67 "2019-02-24T20:42:14Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > Let’s add a new term to EVE crypto-speech: “Freeloading Omegas”. > > Let’s not. It’s meaningless, designed only to let you talk nonsense as if it actually made sense. If you pay, in any way whatsoever, you are not “freeloading” - pure and simple. Freeloading Omegas don’t pay RL money to CCP. They want to play EVE, and they do in fact play, but they can do so by buying PLEX for ISK instead of spending money with CCP. There’s almost certainly money on the table for CCP if they can figure out a way to get their hands on it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/68 "2019-02-24T20:46:48Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Solstice ELENA! > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Both lasses of player who do not provide revenue for CCP (Alphas and PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omegas) can reasonably be called freeloaders. No, for two reasons: 1. They’re consuming PLEX. Consumed PLEX turn into profits, unconsumed PLEX are a liability. That’s accounting and accounting is a real thing that matters. 2. They’re actively paying in _some_ currency, it being time or money. You believing that your life time has no value is a problem, but it’s not theirs. > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > But this has been useful all the same. Let’s add a new term to EVE crypto-speech: “Freeloading Omegas”. And now you’re making a word up based on your bad understanding of what “freeloading” means. That’s not how ■■■■ works, really. We’re not building up on things that are wrong, we’re trying to remove that what’s wrong so we can replace it with that which is _correct_. There are no “freeloading Omegas”. You can’t just make this ■■■■ up and think that’s okay. It isn’t! You’re not only trying way too hard, you really suck at it too! Stop butchering language. Stop attemping your ■■■■■■■■. You shall not pass. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/69 "2019-02-24T20:50:17Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Let’s not. It’s meaningless, designed only to let you talk nonsense as if it actually made sense. “This rather typical behaviour is shared by fascists, totalitarians and SJWs alike” for 4000$, Alex. Why not talk about “alternative facts” while we’re at it? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/70 "2019-02-25T00:10:42Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > “ _CCP_ **already** _generates significant extra revenue from_ **PLEX purchasing** _Omegas_ ”. FTFY. 30 days subscription costs £9.99 in the UK, 500 PLEX (which buys 30 days subscription, among other things) purchased from CCP costs £16.99, also in the UK. That’s a 70% premium on PLEX over subscription, regardless of whether or not it’s used for services or 30 days subscription. Someone who funds their game play by buying PLEX from another player indisputably, albeit indirectly, makes more revenue for CCP than someone who pays for a subscription on a monthly basis; to the tune of about 70%. As an added bonus, someone who funds their play with PLEX puchased from another player whittles away at CCP’s unredeemed PLEX liabilty. > There’s almost certainly money on the table for CCP if they can figure out a way to get their hands on it. They have, it’s called PLEX, where someone pays a real life premium for the convenience of being able to sell it to another player who can afford to pay for their sub with isk. TL;DR Your entire premise is based on the assumption that CCP makes a loss when people pay with ingame currency instead of RL currency. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/71 "2019-02-25T06:26:29Z")
Welp, I think I’ve fed this one enough. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/72 "2019-02-25T07:22:14Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Welp, I think I’ve fed this one enough. Still plenty of cookies to give, he’ll take any crumb as a cookie anyway 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/73 "2019-02-25T07:59:50Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > “ _CCP_ **already** _generates significant extra revenue from_ **PLEX purchasing** _Omegas_ ”. > > FTFY. Don’t “FTFY” my posts BTW I didn’t read the rest orf your post because I know it will be inane, and the FTFY almost gaurantrees it’s also deliberately misleading. I’ll be watching for “FTFY’s” though. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/74 "2019-02-25T08:00:40Z")
You couldn’t back up your claim could you? /kek. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/75 "2019-02-25T08:07:53Z")
Solstice We’re never going to agree of course, but I don’t think you’re being malicious either, so … … FYI I don’t react directly to full-on denial (“semantic manipulation” is a strong indicator of that). I just skip over denial-based claims/arguments, and chose a purely tactical response. You can’t convince me to redefine “freeloader” - I’ll stay with the dictionary meaning. And I’m not going to try to persuade others of my viewpoint through you - I’ve done what I wanted to do directly. Rationally we should both just let the “what does freeloader mean?” discussion go now. We still have the real issue to disagree over after all. I believe CCP could get _additional_ revenue from PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omegas. I suppose you disagree with this (though TBH I don’t remember you ever actually addressing the point). EDIT: Changed “PLEX-buying Omega” to “PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omega” in the last paragraph. This is due to a later post quoting the original text, which is potentially ambiguous to someone who hasn’t read any other posts in this thread. From here on, it will be “freeloading Omegas”. Sorry Solstice - I just can’t live with using “PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omega” over and over 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/76 "2019-02-25T08:53:12Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > PLEX-for-ISK-buying Omegas) can reasonably be called freeloaders. No, you can not. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/77 "2019-02-25T08:56:16Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > I believe CCP could get _additional_ revenue from PLEX-buying Omegas. They already do. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/78 "2019-02-25T09:57:33Z")
> **[Price discrimination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination)** > > Price discrimination is a microeconomic pricing strategy where identical or largely similar goods or services are transacted at different prices by the same provider in different markets. Price discrimination is distinguished from product differentiation by the more substantial difference in production cost for the differently priced products involved in the latter strategy. Price differentiation essentially relies on the variation in the customers' willingness to pay and in The term differentia... ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/79 "2019-02-25T10:17:06Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > > > “ _CCP_ **already** _generates significant extra revenue from_ **PLEX purchasing** _Omegas_ ”. > > > > FTFY. > > Don’t “FTFY” my posts > > BTW I didn’t read the rest orf your post because I know it will be inane, and the FTFY almost gaurantrees it’s also deliberately misleading. > > I’ll be watching for “FTFY’s” though People wouldn’t have to fix your posts for you if you did it yourself, and i would start with just admitting you’re either misunderstanding how PLEX works or trolling, there are no other valid possibilities, its been shown and proven to you multiple times that they make more money from PLEX than they ever would from a forced subscription model, why do you think they added PLEX in the first place, because the reason was twofold, firstly to reduce 3rd party RMT because why would you buy ISK from a dodgy site when you can just buy PLEX and sell those ingame, and secondly to enable people without a disposable income to continue to play if they are in a position to be able to earn ISK to buy PLEX from the people in the first group who just want to pay for ISK, if either of these groups were to leave then the cycle fails and we end up losing players we could have otherwise kept and we end up with more 3rd party ISK selling So yeah, neither of those is a win for CCP in the least and none of your suggestions actually increase the revenue generated by CCP, and we both know that to be true ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334/80 "2019-02-25T15:43:39Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > You can’t convince me to redefine “freeloader” You already did that. That’s why I’m calling it out. You can’t turn this around. _You_ redefined the word and I am getting you back on track. The dictionary, in this case Google, says: > a person who takes advantage of others’ generosity without giving anything in return. Someone who PLEXes his account, using ISK or cash, gives something in return. Are we done now exposing you as the fraud you are? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-an-alternative-to-microtransactions-for-growing-ccps-income/141334.md?page=5)