# CCP and the Cash-Money-Milking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 10, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674 "2021-03-10T15:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/21 "2021-03-23T16:25:11Z")
> [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](#): > > CCP tries to fix it giving vets more ez way to print ISK (WH and Abyss) while keeping they new guy in ratting/mining. What is it you think they do in WHs if not ratting? ---
**Author:** ![Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edmorte_fehrnah/32/251868_2.png) [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edmorte_Fehrnah)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/22 "2021-03-23T16:26:11Z")
lol, I know, but the difference of money making is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/23 "2021-03-23T16:26:41Z")
If you know it and I know it, and online guides know it, what stops new players from doing it too? ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/24 "2021-03-23T16:38:47Z")
Knowledge, experience, planning and organisation. You know: all the things that take effort, time and practise to achieve. It’s far easier to just point fingers and go “I R woeful newbie, it’s impossible for me to achieve anything because reasons” so you never have to achieve anything and can keep blaming others or the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/25 "2021-03-23T16:41:20Z")
My only regret is I have only one +1 to give ---
**Author:** ![Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edmorte_fehrnah/32/251868_2.png) [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edmorte_Fehrnah)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/26 "2021-03-23T17:02:51Z")
Well if you gonna twist everything, gj. I was very clear about how CCP failed to make others pay the bill and only taxes the new guys, but if you feel threatened there’s nothing I can do. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/27 "2021-03-23T17:05:16Z")
> [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](#): > > I was very clear about how CCP failed to make others pay the bill and only taxes the new guys, but if you feel threatened there’s nothing I can do. You have a strange idea what “clear” means. But sure you wanna take an adverserial stance after we got on well, thats your biz. I thought we were getting on ok. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/28 "2021-03-23T17:11:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > My only regret is I have only one +1 to give There’s always the rest of your family. That’s four ❤s right there, if I remember correctly. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/29 "2021-03-23T17:11:23Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > That’s four ❤s right there Four? Man I wish it was only 4 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/30 "2021-03-23T17:13:34Z")
Yeah. I keep forgetting it’s the McCandless clan. Not family. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/31 "2021-03-23T17:14:26Z")
Aye. Me, Ma and Uncle Sid are related directly. Billy is my half brother from REDACTED and there’s a whole kaboodle of Kith and Cousins after that There’s also my astranged brother Damien. Havent heard from him in oiver 10 yarens now ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/32 "2021-03-23T18:00:32Z")
CCP doesn’t make money off new players because none of them stay. 99% of CCPs income is from bots and whales. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/33 "2021-03-23T18:20:25Z")
You don’t have to spend any money in this game if you choose not to. You cannot spend money to get an advantage in game. Stop moaning about MTX. ---
**Author:** ![Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edmorte_fehrnah/32/251868_2.png) [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edmorte_Fehrnah)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/34 "2021-03-23T18:41:07Z")
Good point, gonna take that into consideration. But they try! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/35 "2021-03-23T23:33:37Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You cannot spend money to get an advantage in game. You can if you sub by the yr so you don’t have to worry about plexing and just enjoy the game? ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/36 "2021-03-23T23:52:22Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You can if you sub by the yr so you don’t have to worry about plexing and just enjoy the game? Yes, that is just spending money for quality of life. The only actual pay to win that exists is upgrading from alpha to omega, as you can theoretically be more powerful as an omega due to the extra skills unlocked. ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/37 "2021-03-24T06:33:57Z")
Yep. They are getting inspired by blizzard maybe. They have the option to do a training char at like -10 to level cap. It can let you see how the class works with all casts and talents in place. CCP is jsut charging for it is all. Wow does as well since iirc this on paid subs only and trials don’t see it. The almost max level trial setup I actually liked in wow tbh. It lets you see before you go down the path towards it. And for some classes in wow it shows you there is an end to some tunnels. As some classes suck to level since alot of what makes them work isn’t coming in the mid level phase. IN this case a player can see if they really like say mining at higher levels. I went down that dark path lol. On the fence about extracting it out on the second’s account main to hook up an alt actually. ---
**Author:** ![0Lona\_0ltor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0lona_0ltor/32/336276_2.png) [@0Lona\_0ltor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0Lona_0ltor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/38 "2021-03-24T08:53:11Z")
Noobs allready had & have the chance to trial all skill tree professions in eve via the use of skill injectors & extractors. Expert systems just allow ccp to cut out veteran players ie, skill farmers from this matter keeping 100% profits to themselves. CCP is attempting to abandon/ignore its considerable community, subscription & development debt in TQ. Their debt is visible in SP, PLEX - outstanding subscription liability & the considerable input from 3rd party tool makers who are compensated by ccp in $, plex, concierge game service & affiliate systems. As a player owner of CCP I am not concerned by CCP actions, they are quickly going to be reminded why they made plex in the first place if they continue on this road. I think the road is a dead end anyway, expert system will not make the turnover to warrant further development. It will likely detract from other monetisation policy too. Expect expert systems to at worse be non functioning in 12 months or gathering dust with no new career/ship packs. 50 more years of eve! Fulfill our subscriptions & dreams. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/39 "2021-03-24T12:01:38Z")
Having new customers buy SP, for a complex game they don’t understand, is a good way to not maintain subscriptions. Some game-poor cash-rich sucker is going to buy a bunch of SP, sell plex for isk to fit a ship they don’t understand and then loose it because they don’t know what they’re doing. “I spent all this money, and still got my a$$ kicked!” … which will lead CCP to “Oh, if we want to keep these guys, we need to sell golden ammo too!” Devs might care, accountants don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674/40 "2021-03-24T12:04:32Z")
> [@Adunh\_Slavy](#): > > golden ammo More like a golden shield hardener. 99% resists. Limited time! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-cash-money-milking/299674.md?page=3)