# CCP and the Driffters **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640 "2019-06-30T01:41:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/190 "2019-07-04T06:47:24Z")
Don´t massacre my words. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/191 "2019-07-04T06:47:38Z")
Dont make me laugh so much then ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/192 "2019-07-04T06:55:21Z")
When you laugh about the reality, maybe you´re right wherever you are. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/193 "2019-07-04T06:56:07Z")
Im sure thats very profound in the original klingon or whatever you speak. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/194 "2019-07-04T07:01:09Z")
> [@Pointer\_McLean](#): > > I think the HS pubbies don´t realize, that they are unhappy because they weren´t able to create such big alliances and were not able to emphase anything. > Playing alone sucks and it´s never their own fault… What does that even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/195 "2019-07-04T07:02:01Z")
Don´t ask me, I´m bored @ work 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/196 "2019-07-04T07:02:19Z")
Emphase Word. Meaning: to emphatically phase through objects. It makes me unhappy I no longer have this ability ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/197 "2019-07-04T07:14:29Z")
> [@Pointer\_McLean](#): > > Ever thought about, what 20 defensefleets / day would be like ? without ever be able to stop this situation on your own ? No meta is working, you structurec get reffed before you could arrive (even with bridges / titans because of stupid tidy when forming a 200man fleet). Maybe the point is not “Why do I have to keep protecting these 20 random structures all over the place?” and maybe the point is, “Do I really need all these structures and systems in the first place?” I think the practical impact is very clear. You better be willing to protect your structures, or you do some internal math and figure out which ones you can afford to protect without burning out your linemembers. If you have so many structures spanning so many systems across an entire region BUT you are unable to protect them all, maybe that’s more a sign that your alliance is not as strong as you thought it was and that you should be considering downsizing instead of greedily trying to keep everything. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/198 "2019-07-04T07:16:17Z")
This is a good question. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/199 "2019-07-04T07:20:27Z")
It is a dumb question. ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/200 "2019-07-04T07:23:12Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Maybe the point is not “Why do I have to keep protecting these 20 random structures all over the place?” and maybe the point is, “Do I really need all these structures and systems in the first place?” Moonming + Reprocessing to avoid hauling. So yes 20+ structures / system are normal. Having to defend a large space = need places / bridges. To be compareable, every station in LS/HS should down every service module or the stations should be powered down. Let´s see what would happen 🙂 I bet no HS alliance could defend a single constellation. Able to protect them against every PvP content, able to defend it against drifters → until everyone is exhausted because of their bad design. It´s like fighting an enemy with unlimited ressources, which coulddrop in everywhere and where even the best intel doesn´t give you numbers → so you always have to react with a big fleet. (drifters can´t be scanned) We adapt, but we prefer the PvP game much more than this PvE ■■■■■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/201 "2019-07-04T07:26:14Z")
> [@Pointer\_McLean](#): > > We adapt, but we prefer the PvP game much more than this PvE ■■■■■■■■. You mine, you rat, you run various PVE content. The only time most of you PVP is by accident. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/202 "2019-07-04T07:28:01Z")
> [@Pointer\_McLean](#): > > Moonming + Reprocessing to avoid hauling. So yes 20+ structures / system are normal. > Having to defend a large space = need places / bridges. Let me make it simple for you. The point I’m making is, “maybe you don’t deserve to moon mine, if you cannot protect those structures without burning out.” Adapt or die, and it looks like you’re choosing to die. ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/203 "2019-07-04T07:29:02Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > You mine, you rat, you run various PVE content. The only time most of you PVP is by accident. You have to PvE for ISK to buy ships to lose them in PvP. Now you have to PvE to … defend everything against CCP´s stupid idea. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/204 "2019-07-04T07:29:06Z")
I didn’t realize you loved AI/NPC so much…your hatred of players borders on @Dracvlad levels of anti-social sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/206 "2019-07-04T07:33:29Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Let me make it simple for you. > > The point I’m making is, “maybe you don’t deserve to moon mine, if you cannot protect those structures without burning out.” > > Adapt or die, and it looks like you’re choosing to die. Should I make it easy for you ? The biggest alliances are the biggest, because they are able to adapt. The two worst things you can do to a human is change an standstill. I know it feels good when something is happening that you could never achieve. But think about that it´s not you who achieve this. We´ll see what is happening in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/207 "2019-07-04T07:33:44Z")
Ya but the Germans wanted PvP…not some NPC/PVE monstrosity… ---
**Author:** ![Pointer\_McLean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pointer_mclean/32/145243_2.png) [@Pointer\_McLean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pointer_McLean)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/208 "2019-07-04T07:34:21Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats what the Germans said in the face of the post Stalingrad counter offensive. > > Didnt have sympathy for them either. Goodwin #1 → you lost ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/210 "2019-07-04T07:34:58Z")
Godwyn’s Law isnt a win/lose statement. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640/211 "2019-07-04T07:36:09Z")
> [@Pointer\_McLean](#): > > The biggest alliances are the biggest, because they are able to adapt. There’s a lot less adapting and a lot more whining and crying. Adapting would be increasing the number of gunners in your ACL to trusted individuals so that you don’t have only 2 people and their alts gunning. But you’re so afraid of your own members who might go rogue and pull some rigs that you guys are refusing to adapt. Adapting would be prioritizing the structures you can save and determine which ones are within the “effort budget” so you can focus chasing off what you can without line member burn out. Or did you mean “adapt” as in “cry about it, strengthen the blue donut and have everyone join in on a 'highsec embargo and cry together as a community until CCP reverts the change” ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-and-the-driffters/170640.md?page=11)