# CCP Cancels WIS and then Tease It... šŸ‘€ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 18, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076 "2022-11-18T20:25:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Over\_Moderated](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/over_moderated/32/345918_2.png) [@Over\_Moderated](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Over_Moderated)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/246 "2022-12-10T16:53:36Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Aboutā€¦? > They also said they would never sell skillpointsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Over\_Moderated](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/over_moderated/32/345918_2.png) [@Over\_Moderated](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Over_Moderated)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/247 "2022-12-10T16:57:05Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > you donā€™t get to enter and have to wait in line. Of course, there are ā€œexceptionsā€ for VIPā€™s. ---
**Author:** ![Over\_Moderated](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/over_moderated/32/345918_2.png) [@Over\_Moderated](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Over_Moderated)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/248 "2022-12-10T17:10:05Z")
If you want to hear something even MORE far-fetched than WiSā€¦ [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/e/2de7eecb499a0ec88381496dc04698fe33942d46.jpeg "Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains Einstein's Gravitational Waves Theory") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOPEPVYAnU) ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/249 "2022-12-10T17:10:14Z")
I eagerly await Tidi for stationsā€¦ šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/250 "2022-12-10T17:13:42Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > More than likely the WiS aspect would be done as instanced content on separate servers allowing only a small percentage of players to access each instanced section at a time. So, technically, CCP could borrow a chunk of PAā€™s game engine, appropriately enough called ā€œBlackspace Engineā€. The could craft a space/techie environment rather than a fantasy one. Then when you go walkabout, basically your EVE game would be paused and a completely separate engine and environment loaded, with a ported simulacrum of your current character. In that case you wouldnā€™t even need much limitations, since it would be a separate client with separate server running a separate game engine. Basically just hand-off code and some database updates for current status. So, good eye, DMC, for an actually functional WiS/ground avatar mechanic. The concept has some barriers: - PA has never said they would share their tech/engine with CCP. - PA has said theyā€™re leaving CCP independent to develop their own way. - CCP would need a whole new team for managing the new code/engine/server, and that needs a minimum return of at least a $2 million a year, if not more. Will WiS sell an extra $4-5 million a year of product? - Every character active in the ground engine is one less character active in EVE, since it would essentially be a separate side-game. - Iā€™m still a bit stuck on which activities an EVE player would want to _do_ groundside. Yes, new options are cool, and yes, we can get around the ā€œeven _more_ graphics bloatā€ issue by having it a separate client/server sharing database info. A bar, gambling, hanging out with corp mates for a face-to-face meeting, these things only go so far. For instance, Cryptic/Star Trek Online has had integrated ground-game, public hubs, and corporate/fleet starbases for years. Almost nobody uses their fleet headquarters for meetings, the public hubs (Earth starbase, Deep Space Nine etc.) are mostly just chat-rooms while people trade the market and sit between missions. I think your concept here is the first workable ā€œhow to implement WiS now with PAā€ suggestion Iā€™ve seen, but I still donā€™t foresee enough people playing/paying for it to be cost-effective. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/251 "2022-12-10T17:18:34Z")
It would be a niche feature that only hardcore RPā€™ers and weabs would useā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/252 "2022-12-10T18:42:18Z")
No activity on zkill means that this character was an alt, for forum posting people do them all the time. Probably will start posting with new alt. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/253 "2022-12-10T18:45:36Z")
> [@tiberiusric](#): > > completely wrong, literally everyone does want it. Please dont speak for the rest of us. Weve ALWAYS wanted to it, it was CCP that messed it up in the first place The irony of you saying donā€™t speak for all of us, then in the next sentence you speak for all of us šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/254 "2022-12-10T19:36:28Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > PA has never said they would share their tech/engine with CCP. So, VR stations then, when the market is ready. ---
**Author:** ![Over\_Moderated](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/over_moderated/32/345918_2.png) [@Over\_Moderated](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Over_Moderated)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/255 "2022-12-10T19:37:33Z")
And better character creationā€¦ * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/7/e/07e598a78ed15e81d694dac864b5fc52489f19d2.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/256 "2022-12-10T20:17:18Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > So, good eye, DMC, for an actually functional WiS/ground avatar mechanic. Thanks, itā€™s not far-fetched to envision that happening in the futureā€¦ > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The concept has some barriers: Yeah, thereā€™s always gonna be some hurdleā€™s to jump when expanding game content. Now about the barriers you posted: > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > - PA has never said they would share their tech/engine with CCP. > - PA has said theyā€™re leaving CCP independent to develop their own way. PA also never said they wouldnā€™t share their techā€¦ Now if you look at it purely from a business stance, that policy of allowing CCP independent development of Eve may have had some sort of time limit or performance based clause attached to it which could feasibly let PA take over control. And since PA actually owns CCP, that policy of non-interference in Eveā€™s development could be changed at any time without our knowledge. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > CCP would need a whole new team for managing the new code/engine/server, and that needs a minimum return of at least a $2 million a year, if not more. Will WiS sell an extra $4-5 million a year of product? I donā€™t think anybody knows the actual amount of Devā€™s or investment money needed to do it. Nor exactly what resources they currently have available verses whatā€™s needed to accomplish it. In fact, CCP could very well be working on it right now in conjunction with PA. Bottom line - PA bought CCP and the rights to Eve Online as a business investment intended to make money. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Every character active in the ground engine is one less character active in EVE, since it would essentially be a separate side-game. The WiS content or as you put it, the ā€˜Ground Engineā€™ could be tied in with the current space environment, similar to how DUST514 was. Characters in WiS mode buying and selling items in the Market / Hypernet / Public Contracts would also affect / change the ā€˜Space Engineā€™ Market / Hypernet / Public Contracts and visa versa. And not to mention all those characters in the ā€˜Ground Engineā€™ would still be listed in and accessing Local chat, just like characters sitting in station do now. Whether those characters are in space or in station doesnā€™t matter, theyā€™re still in Eve and more importantly, hopefully paying a sub. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Iā€™m still a bit stuck on which activities an EVE player would want to _do_ groundside. I believe weā€™ve discussed this before and Iā€™m not doing another lengthy debate about it again. Thereā€™s all kinds of Avatar based gameplay that could be implemented for both PvP and PvE, such as FPS 1v1 / Gang Based Arena Matches, Assassination / Bounty Hunting, FPS missions - Seek and Destroy, Contraband Smuggling, Black Market deals, etc., etc. Could even have Exploration integrated with Hacking in dimly lit subterranean levels of stations. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/257 "2022-12-11T09:33:36Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Could even have Exploration integrated with Hacking in dimly lit subterranean levels of stations. That was their original gameplay for the avatar based gameplay they explored with some prototyping: > The gameplay premise is simple, players move through our abandoned structures with their fitted Extra-Vehicular Activity suit, using their wits, tools and teammates to deal with the hazardous environment. Some of us are enthusiastically and maliciously killing teammates for personal gain. Weā€™ve even allowed two teams into the environment to really let all hell break loose. 10 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sine123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sine123/32/329782_2.png) [@Sine123](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sine123)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/258 "2022-12-11T14:55:25Z")
I thought CCP woud patch all humans out? ---
**Author:** ![Flamespar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flamespar/32/382933_2.png) [@Flamespar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flamespar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/259 "2022-12-16T23:32:58Z")
I do find it strange that CCP continues to release stuff for avatars in the store and as part of game packages given that ā€œnobody wants WiSā€. It ts almost as if there is interest in avatar gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/260 "2022-12-21T00:40:59Z")
People just wanna look cool my dude. No one wants to wander around in stations doing nothing šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/261 "2022-12-21T11:07:13Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No one wants to wander around in stations doing nothing Everyone wants to wander around in stations doing something. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/262 "2022-12-21T11:15:57Z")
LOL not really. People want more to do in space. You wanna wander around in stations, NMS that way šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/263 "2022-12-21T13:50:05Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No one wants to wander around in stations doing nothing šŸ˜ƒ Thatā€™s why we have ship spinning! > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > People just wanna look cool my dude. The True End Game content right here! Rendering your space avatar portrait in the coolest ways possible! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/264 "2022-12-21T13:51:08Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Everyone wants to wander around in stations doing something. I do? What would I do? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-cancels-wis-and-then-tease-it/385076/265 "2022-12-21T13:59:06Z")
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