# CCP change how margin trade works. Why is marginal trading scams allowed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 23, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880 "2019-12-23T01:13:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/82 "2019-12-23T16:56:09Z")
Whiner. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/83 "2019-12-23T16:57:29Z")
Fix things that are broken ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/84 "2019-12-23T17:15:58Z")
“Fix things that are broken.” Be the change you wish to see in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/85 "2019-12-23T17:17:34Z")
> [@z0ra\_Berg](#): > > Be the change you wish to see in the world That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard. ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/86 "2019-12-23T17:19:47Z")
Want to give an example of the sort of item you see being inflated this way? ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/87 "2019-12-23T17:19:58Z")
You, Sir, are an uneducated, ignorant, irrational, instinct-driven fool. [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/10/23/be-change/](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/10/23/be-change/) The only thing that’s broken here is _you._ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/88 "2019-12-23T17:25:58Z")
Alistar, you are what is broken. Margin trading is a legitimate scam that is easy to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/89 "2019-12-23T17:27:55Z")
If it’s broken, best way to get it fixed is to massively abuse it, then tell everyone else how to massively abuse it, then abuse it some more. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/90 "2019-12-23T17:38:34Z")
Cool, two threads of you whining on the same topic! You must be fun at parties. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/91 "2019-12-23T18:07:35Z")
Didn’t you already cry about this? > [@CCP change how margin trade works. Why is marginal trading scams allowed?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880): > > The margin trading game mechanic should be fixed. This particular scam in EvE makes no sense. This is not how a margin trade works. A margin trade in real life is collateralized by broker/banker who punishes the margin trader if they cant pay for the full order. CCP. An easy fix would be to garner income from the wallet of the player’s omega account. So when you margin trade you agree to ALL income of ALL of your account’s wallets may be garnered at HIGHER COST to cover the buy order. IF the … ---
**Author:** ![shimiku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shimiku/32/170965_2.png) [@shimiku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/shimiku)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/92 "2019-12-23T18:15:14Z")
you do know that if you want the upfront payment for all buy order it will kill alot of trading for items that take along time to fill. and you might be ok with that just so you dont get scammed because of your greed. and my guess is your respond to this would be fake news it will not kill alot of buy order, but i can tell you it will, i buy some stuff that dont have alot of volume traded each month but i still have buy order because it a little bit of isk but if i had to lock up 500m on that ■■■■ i would radder drop that on something that i know i can make a turn over with in a fair amount time and i dont thing i would the the only trader that would i trade it because its just a small amount of isk that i lose every month on it and not a large chunk and should we also make it so you cant sell a 500m algos it looks like a 500k if the colume isnt large enough ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Norros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_norros/32/249084_2.png) [@ISD\_Norros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Norros)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/93 "2019-12-23T18:49:17Z")
merged duplicate thread. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/94 "2019-12-23T18:50:27Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > The margin trading game mechanic should be fixed. It isn’t broken. > [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > A margin trade in real life EvE isn’t real life. > [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > This is an easy fix. And will eliminate virtually all Margin trade scams. No, ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/95 "2019-12-23T18:52:38Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/7/a7b5128583a8af072bf3d9356ed6a835bb5427d0.png) > [@ISD\_Norros](#): > > merged duplicate thread. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/7/87f280b111bb39e00043fbbe7b7841d2a4754eb0.png) Please, can you help me unconfuse my brain? What’s up with your name? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Norros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_norros/32/249084_2.png) [@ISD\_Norros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Norros)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/96 "2019-12-23T18:54:41Z")
CCP Phantom sneezed when initially creating the character, it never got renamed on the forum backend 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/97 "2019-12-23T18:56:56Z")
That’s hilarious! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/98 "2019-12-23T19:16:47Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It really can’t. It really can. You can just put up a buy order and take it down when the mark buys your overpriced bait. But more to the point, no order is guaranteed on the market until it is filled. Someone could beat you to that order by a second, even if it is legitimate. Yes, abusing the margin trading mechanic to send false signals limits the risk for the scammer, but it doesn’t enable anything that isn’t possible other ways. Orders on the market can be manipulated and should not be taken as a definitive indication of the value of an item. Anyone who buys something based only upon the current orders does so at their own peril, margin trade scam or not. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/99 "2019-12-23T19:54:20Z")
OP you should have just went to Jita to double your ISK. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/100 "2019-12-23T19:58:49Z")
Dearest OP, Just because something is new to you hardly means it is new to others or something nobody has discovered. ccp and the playerbase as a whole have been quite aware of not only basic market mechanics such as the margin thing at hand but much you have yet to discover for yourself (yes, you have adorably declared that you know you’re the best at PI and others are jealous of your market prowess, but although I am glad you are enjoying this game, there is still much to learn) ccp said long ago that they are not going to change margin mechanics as the legitimate uses outweigh the abuses. ---
**Author:** ![BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boingboingboingboing_boingobbleoi/32/203433_2.png) [@BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING_BOINGOBBLEOI)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/101 "2019-12-23T20:29:26Z")
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