# CCP change how margin trade works. Why is marginal trading scams allowed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 23, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880 "2019-12-23T01:13:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/135 "2019-12-24T18:09:44Z")
It’s still a gift 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/136 "2019-12-24T18:11:20Z")
Yes but 2 orders of magnitude different from what I thought. I was like omg…station trading has made her a Trillionaire!? ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/137 "2019-12-24T18:23:36Z")
Merry Christmas, Bernie! I’ve contracted you a PLEX! 🙂 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/6/266704f501a73d9f092286e915a2bc394e226bf7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Michelle\_Vega](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/michelle_vega/32/387037_2.png) [@Michelle\_Vega](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Michelle_Vega)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/138 "2019-12-24T18:26:06Z")
Everything is working as intened, as CCP intended. If you can not adapt, you need to stop trying or gtfo. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/139 "2019-12-24T18:27:22Z")
Well thank you! Merry Christmas to you too! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/140 "2019-12-25T01:23:01Z")
@z0ra_Berg i want plex me mememe ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/141 "2019-12-25T01:59:13Z")
> [@Michelle\_Vega](#): > > If you can not adapt, you need to stop trying or gtfo. You’re dull as has literally been mentioned by many people here smarter than you ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/142 "2019-12-25T02:26:39Z")
Merry Christmas to you z0ra! You made my evening. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/143 "2019-12-29T14:50:39Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > If you no longer have the ISK to fill an order it gets flagged, but once you put more ISK in that character’s wallet and can cover the sale the flag is removed and it goes back to being a normal market order. not sure what you mean by “flagged” ; please enlighten me … as i understand if you can’t cover the buy order , it will be cancelled . ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/144 "2019-12-29T17:04:39Z")
> [@Buggs\_LeRoach](#): > > not sure what you mean by “flagged” ; please enlighten me … > as i understand if you can’t cover the buy order , it will be cancelled . Currently your buy order is cancelled if you can not cover it, but only when someone tries to fill the order. As long as nobody tries to sell to you the fake order remains on the market indefinitely even though it can not be completed. My proposal is that if your wallet ever drops too low to cover a buy order it is temporarily flagged with a red highlight on the market and can not be interacted with by other players. This is a warning that the buy order is currently not available to be filled and should be ignored. But if you ever gain enough ISK to cover the order the flag is removed and it reverts to normal market behavior. The reason I propose a flag instead of immediate cancellation is that the margin trading skill has uses outside of the scam and a flag leaves these uses intact while removing the scam from the game. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/145 "2019-12-30T00:00:26Z")
My experience was that you couldn’t even try to fulfill the buy order even though it was visible in the market. Because not being a valid order, the sell screen would default to the next valid order, and if you tried to raise the price it would invalidate your immediate sell. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/146 "2019-12-30T02:30:23Z")
I plex 7 accounts on margin trading, don’t try to destroy my playstyle just because you don’t understand how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/147 "2019-12-30T02:39:42Z")
“I plex 7 accounts on botting, don’t try to destroy my playstyle just because you don’t like RMTing.” The fact that you are successful in exploiting a broken game mechanic doesn’t mean that it must continue to be broken. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/148 "2019-12-30T02:46:21Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The fact that you are successful in exploiting a broken game mechanic doesn’t mean that it must continue to be broken. I’m not even sure how they think they will be affected by fixing it? LOLOL ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/149 "2019-12-30T02:56:04Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The fact that you are successful in exploiting a broken game mechanic doesn’t mean that it must continue to be broken. The only thing he’s successful at is lying on the forum and getting people to believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880/150 "2019-12-30T08:39:43Z")
The only thing he’s successful at, is making a retard of himself, eg by claiming that “correlation does imply causation” and when asked for sources, linking articles that actually agree the opposite. He drank too much lead when he was a child. “No brain, no pain”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-change-how-margin-trade-works-why-is-marginal-trading-scams-allowed/207880.md?page=6)