# CCP - Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 26, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866 "2017-11-26T21:10:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/107 "2017-11-28T22:21:39Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Everything has been hashed out before, and by people who actually know what they’re talking about. But many of them left the game, and so a new group of would-be reformers has surfaced, too lazy to check whether what they’re so excited about has been discussed before. It has. To death. this, this right here is usually the exact reason im less than helpful in these threads. this crap was old when _I_ was new ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/108 "2017-11-28T23:22:09Z")
> [@Vaacos](#): > > I think the major issue I have is, and if we’re being honest here. Is that if gankers want a freighter dead, that freighter is dead. It doesn’t have any means of self defense outside of more hull hp which I think is intentional by CCP as they know when freighters die in high sec it means more profit for them. I can’t understand the call for an invincible ship. It makes no sense. I’ve owned a freighter since 2009, used properly in its intended role (true bulk haulage), it will not die. Also I own other ships (most notably the blockade runner), which complement freighter ownership. Make the freighter invincible and then the utility of the blockade runner is much diminished. > [@](#): > > People in turn buy more plex and buy more isk and buy more items to replace. Sure it’s not just freighters it’s also miners, but freighters are the biggest target. You have no evidence of this particular linkage. > [@](#): > > You would think that 100,000 years from now that these races of advanced civilization would of adapted some combat mechanics to their hauling vessels, Yet time and time again we see this is not being done. Why can’t freighters have 4 mid slots? Why can’t they have 1.5m EHP ? If they are caught in low sec or null sec they are dead anyway. No more super carriers instant popping JF’s that cost 12b+ No more easy 25 catalysts to gank a charon, now that number goes up to 50+ Why not? Why can’t their be some damn balance in this game. Freighters win 1v1s in highsec if they don’t give up some form of aggro and they win 1v10s too. The question you need to ask yourself is why you think its unfair that they should lose a 1v20 or a 1vinfinity ? Your concept of being able to just win regardless makes no sense. > [@](#): > > We all damn well know that miners can’t fire at suspected gankers first trying to take them out. And we all know that once your bumped in a freighter your dead… How is that balance? I don’t think I am asking for ganking to stop completely, even though I recommended removing PvP in 1.0 and 0.9 to cover trade hubs. You don’t even seem to know where ganking happens ? > [@](#): > > Why is it that those who risk the most in high sec are always the victims of those who risk nothing? I get why ganking is important, let’s keep ganking alive. But my god… By the way I’ve never been the victim of a gank and I’m not representing anyone here. There is a reason I said Exhumers and Freighters need a invulnerability module, hell even if it comes down to costing in resources about 150m. It makes things balanced. It makes ganking harder, and just because it’s harder doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Ganking freighters is already the task of getting 20+ people together. It is already objectively hard compared to other tasks in the game. > [@](#): > > Freighter pops his invulnerability, all the gankers die, little known to the freighter who continues on to the next jump where he no longer has the invulnerability there is yet another 30 man gang, who smokes him. It will come down to tactical advantage, not one built into the game. > > There are options that keep ganking a live and make far more sense. How can 75m worth of catalysts destroy a 12b isk JF, or 1.3b isk freighter… with out consequence. Not only should destroyers destroy things, but the consequence is plain. They are all in turn destroyed. The balance of whether or not the action was profitable is 50% loot fair, and 50% freighter pilot stupidity. > [@](#): > > Alternatively make player killing in high sec outside of duels and war decs, far more impactful to their sec status, only allow 4 or 5 kills and you can’t safely fly in that region again. Tons of options. All of these options are just more reasons that someone who wants to fight back will find the game disallows it. ie the more arcane rules you put in, the more likely the specialist (ganker) will use them to their advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/109 "2017-11-28T23:25:05Z")
Im a sucker for their sob stories Damn my soft hearted ways ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/110 "2017-11-28T23:28:59Z")
> [@Coralas](#): > > > [@Vaacos](#): > > > > How can 75m worth of catalysts destroy a 12b isk JF, or 1.3b isk freighter > > Good stuff You missed this gem. I want to know where he’s buying enough Catalysts and modules to gank a freighter for 75M, so I can buy them out and make a huge profit at market value in a hub. @Vaacos Napkin math tells me it takes a minimum of 22 T2 Catalysts @600DPS each to suicide gank an unfitted Charon (c.260K EHP against kinetic and thermal damage with racial freighter 4); 16 if it’s max cargo fit (c.180K EHP). Your figure of 75M buys you 5 or 6 600DPS Catalysts, if you’re lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Vaacos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaacos/32/42073_2.png) [@Vaacos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaacos)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/111 "2017-11-29T06:59:11Z")
75m for 5 catalysts lol… wow ur bad at this game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/112 "2017-11-29T07:04:59Z")
> [@Vaacos](#): > > 75m for 5 catalysts lol… wow ur bad at this game. You’re bad at costing stuff, please show the fit that allows you buy and fit enough Catalysts/modules to kill a freighter in 20s for 75M. A 600DPS Catalyst will run you between [13 and 16M](https://evepraisal.com/a/dmsjx) at Jita prices. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/113 "2017-11-29T07:44:14Z")
Yeah, and even with maxed skills and overheating DPS is not going to max out at less than 700 IRC. In 20 seconds, 5 catalysts will crap out 70,000 DPS. A fair amount of DPS, but not enough to take down even the worst fit freighter. So bad at costing, bad at calculating DPS, and bad at understanding the EHP of a freighter…well lets just settle for Bad™. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/114 "2017-11-29T12:25:36Z")
Go away. Eve is not for you. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/115 "2017-11-29T12:39:19Z")
At least he can spell the “you’re”. Do tell, though, what does a max gank, t2 fitted catalyst using t2 ammo cost? Reaching 700dps comes at a price! When you know it, please do tell us! ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/116 "2017-11-29T13:10:17Z")
75m for 20 /s ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/117 "2017-11-29T16:07:37Z")
Hey. What about if Catalysts pump out too much DPS? #howaboudat ---
**Author:** ![walker\_Hanomaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/walker_hanomaa/32/291375_2.png) [@walker\_Hanomaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/walker_Hanomaa)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/118 "2017-11-29T16:24:01Z")
Link your loss mail pls thx ---
**Author:** ![Trixie\_Lawless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trixie_lawless/32/257491_2.png) [@Trixie\_Lawless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trixie_Lawless)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/119 "2017-11-29T17:02:47Z")
Quit being greedy little miners and put a damn dcu2 on your overpriced asteroid shooter. Spam dscan when you see new people enter your system and mine aligned to your station or safe spot. Be aware of your surroundings and quit getting toasted while binge watching anime on Netflix you weebs. ---
**Author:** ![Heera-o\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heera-o_helugo/32/203799_2.png) [@Heera-o\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heera-o_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/120 "2017-11-29T17:23:48Z")
My first solo kill was in a Procurer mining in null. A halfway decent fit and combat drones can save you isk. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/121 "2017-11-29T18:09:50Z")
Cats are fine To output the max dps you need to be snuggling with your target. Lol ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/122 "2017-11-29T18:12:30Z")
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**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866/123 "2017-11-29T18:13:13Z")
This thread is going nowhere. If you’d like to suggest a feature, we have a specific subforum for this. Closed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-ganking/41866.md?page=5)