# CCP, get a handle on the NPC miners already **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [September 30, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414 "2017-09-30T04:02:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/61 "2018-04-22T10:48:11Z")
> [@Agent\_5B](#): > > These are pirate faction, didn’t even seem to be with any mining ships or cruisers. So what is the story with these ? Do they only attack people with low standing to them ? Kill the Forward Operating Base (FOB) that is in the system and they will disappear. They aren’t the miner NPCs that have defence fleets, these are more like raiding parties of pirates that have a small base they operate out of. There is apparently not much gain from killing the FOB, other than the peace of mind that they are gone. I think this is a general direction CCP are taking to encourage group play in highsec and emergent collaboration between players that otherwise have little reason to even communicate, let alone cooperate. By putting in these new rats and structures, the players most willing to reach out to others in local, form a fleet and kill the structure, are best placed to continue as normal. ---
**Author:** ![Aishtar\_Sheran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aishtar_sheran/32/381331_2.png) [@Aishtar\_Sheran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aishtar_Sheran)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/62 "2018-04-22T11:06:43Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So create a dedicated NPC gank alt. Warp in, shoot them, warp out before the response fleet gets you. It is a dedicated alt, so no standing issues. Yet another game mechanic that promote the creation of an alt, and possibly the use of more than 1 client at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/63 "2018-04-22T12:40:14Z")
We just need to extend this to ice fields next. That should give those high-sec bot ice mining fleets something to contend with. These could also be extended to low-sec as well… (it’s not like there is any intensive mining going on anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/64 "2018-04-22T14:38:25Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Kill the Forward Operating Base (FOB) that is in the system and they will disappear. > > They aren’t the miner NPCs that have defence fleets, these are more like raiding parties of pirates that have a small base they operate out of. So I just need to check the agency to make sure there isn’t one of those in system ? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/65 "2018-04-22T14:43:40Z")
Yes, checking the Agency is the easiest way at present. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/66 "2018-04-22T15:37:13Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Yes, checking the Agency is the easiest way at present. If the bases only spawn at downtime that would be reasonably safe. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/67 "2018-04-22T15:39:37Z")
I’ve been missioning and mining in systems with a FOB and have yet to be harassed. Aside from them poking their head out to attack one of my Citadels, I’m unsure what the criteria is for them to regularly harass you elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/68 "2018-04-22T16:55:48Z")
I don’t think they ever go to mission sites or anomalies they just hang around belts. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/69 "2018-04-22T17:11:04Z")
And Citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/70 "2018-04-22T17:44:13Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Aside from them poking their head out to attack one of my Citadels They attack citadels ? that’s quite strange, I must admit they are kind of interesting, just a bit random. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/71 "2018-04-22T17:46:23Z")
“Attack” is probably too generous a term. They hit it four times in 6 hours causing a whopping zero damage. I suspect they may have taken a poke at me for loitering about so I didn’t stick around. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/72 "2018-04-22T17:51:32Z")
They are dangerous to miners, not sure how well a procurer or skiff would survive but I think any of the other barges would be going home in a pod. They tanked my set of faction drones then after a bit they decided to kill them. I only had one set so my escape was due to ECM drones disabling their tacklers. Still they did probably more than 100k of damage to me before I got out ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/73 "2018-04-22T17:54:39Z")
Were those just the frigates or did they call in reinforcements? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/74 "2018-04-22T17:55:25Z")
A well tanked Skiff and T2 drones work just fine. I’ve popped their tackler on several occasions with no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/75 "2018-04-22T17:59:58Z")
I always (and I mean **always** ) see one of the NPC haulers hanging around my Citadels. If it looks like bait, smells like bait… it’s probably bait. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/76 "2018-04-22T19:47:50Z")
> [@Aishtar\_Sheran](#): > > Yet another game mechanic that promote the creation of an alt, and possibly the use of more than 1 client at a time. It doesn’t though. I mean you can always shoot them with your main and take the standing hit like a man. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/77 "2018-04-22T19:59:30Z")
You only lose standings if you kill them, if I recall. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/78 "2018-04-22T20:02:58Z")
Correct, no standing loss for just shooting them and running them off. Use a missile boat like a Corax, target up to 7 of them, give them a couple missiles each and warp off as the response fleet arrives… ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/79 "2018-04-25T07:06:43Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Were those just the frigates or did they call in reinforcements? It was just frigates. The forward operating bases are not visible on The Agency over a certain distance, had it set to any distance yet it did not see 2 bases in the same region 4 and 5 jumps away. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-get-a-handle-on-the-npc-miners-already/28414/80 "2018-07-24T07:16:30Z")
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