# CCP hands over FREE Faction Citadels to Powerbloc Leadership after Outpost Conversion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 26, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456 "2018-04-26T19:46:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/122 "2018-05-04T09:32:30Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > I literally predicted that PL would invade Providence over this nearly an entire ■■■■■■■ year before it happened. - Video proof . Beyond that, PL has always taken the time to invade Providence during the downtime between major wars. It happened in 2015 and they took a tonne of our systems then too. It’s always been something people are capable of, they just needed the incentive to do it. It’s sad that CVA lost almost all Providence systems before this Faction Citadels ‘flip’. As I remember they built many of them last year. > [@Jin\_taan](#): > > Beyond that, the Outpost conversion was something we let CCP handle on their own specifically because of the amount of investment a lot of players on the CSM had put in at the time. Also, we’re less politicians and more of a collaborative focus group with a side order of community team support, which I think is probably best demonstrated by the kinds of questions I was asking in my PvE roundtable. I believe that CSM group doing some useful work and gives good advices overall, but almost all CSM members from SoV blocks are EVE politicians in some way. I liked your in game attitude at CSM PVE roundtable, being very enlightened in EVE SoV politics at the same time. But we have facts about EVE politics ‘tet-a-tet’ corruption at CSM just before Judgement Day. Diving into the archives, I don’t wanna mention about pre- and post-patch speculations already happened, cause it’s a in game mechanic, even presented in 101 things to do in EVE. Overall, in your YouTube blogs you enlightened very well the last year BlueDonut War. But I have doubts about the what is hiding behind that war. Are these Faction Citadels flip cause of BlueDonut War? Let’s look back. Not only Providence just lost so many systems, considering PL completely don’t need that SoV. Like seven months ago, the Culture sold Fountain to the Imperium. I was in Fountain. There is an abandoned region area mainly with two staging systems at Southern and Northern boundary systems. Only Serpentis farmers ‘Gangs’ roaming area around. The Imperium don’t need Fountain for resources or something. PH was moved from small West region to a big East Geminate region in a hurry. Among them most of all the Drone Phoenix Federation lost with all these changes. With BlueDonut War the DRF was involved into long 1 year war on many fronts: Southern (Triumvirate, CO2, Fraternity), Middle (roaming SoV raiders from nearby Low-Sec and Great Lands), Northern (GoTG invasion and diplomatic misinformation). I think this year will be mainly static for almost all powerblocs. The Imperium will continue doing their sneaky tricks vs GoTG by using the Grid and ImperiumNews propaganda. Only DRF will be involved into a big war, which will increase its ‘amplitude’ in autumn to a big winter war, considering MACTEP lost an Avatar in his home region. Damn, SOLAR FLEET stupidly lost too many Titans last year. This will force them to rejoin once again or to lost completely. So, before the flip-flop the DRF had the biggest number of outposts and after BlueDonut War they have only few, while PL gained 118 from few, due to Dotlan. > [@Jin\_taan](#): > > If this is a bait thread tho nicely done. It’s not only a bait - it’s a protest also. The protest is good at its concept but with wrong motto. It points to CCP favoritism. Yes, CCP DEV should control the game to make it playable for different groups. The SoV space needs more powerful groups. But the idea to replace old Outpost with Improved Faction Fortizars is unfair, it makes powerful blocs even more powerful, it makes ‘Flipped’ SoV space even harder to conquer back, it turns away SoV wars… everyone will wait until next CSM and next patch… In my opinion DEV should been turn these Outposts to simple Citadels at least with some drawbacks. It turns EVE from a space of wars and conflicts to a space of pure robbery. Personally, this not motivates me to quite frankly it just motivates me to not build anything not in a ‘weakbloc’, not in a powerbloc. ---
**Author:** ![Burger\_Love](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/burger_love/32/161891_2.png) [@Burger\_Love](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Burger_Love)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/123 "2018-05-04T10:21:48Z")
How dare ccp allowe people destroy my titan that worked so hard to get! HTFU & GTFO. Sarcasm aside, there is nothing under old mechanics that would stop poweeblocs moving in and take over your outposts taking full advantage of your hard work. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/124 "2018-05-04T11:27:38Z")
Since CCP is determined to rob the builders who invested time effort any their own money in subs in the building in outposts…lets just go ahead and convert all those supers that are clogging up the game to faction battleships…and here have a token holo picture to keep. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/125 "2018-05-04T11:41:30Z")
And Mr CCP Falcon… no matter how you paint it , what about CCP’s public promise to never remove these putposts that were supposed to be permenant parts of the game?? hmm ? or do you or anyone here thinks that anyone would have built any of them without that original promise. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/126 "2018-05-04T12:10:23Z")
So you want to move to the new citadel system…sure why not and just discontinue construction of new outposts and use of old pos systems…why rob eve of it’s outpost history and the efforts of thousands…just what would be wrong with leaving the outposts as they are??? and yes you are robbing the whole of the history of the game if you do this. remove it from the sov game by just connecting them to system ownership…which is transfered to citadels ihubs and tcu’s right? which is the consolidation you seek for outpost/pos xsov issues of old right? ---
**Author:** ![Rovinia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rovinia/32/483428_2.png) [@Rovinia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rovinia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/127 "2018-05-04T13:10:06Z")
You are starting a principled discussion about a change that was announced more than a year ago. And as far as i could see was a large majority in favour of this change. It’s now four week before patch deployment… What do you expect to happen? By the way, having indestructible player built objects in a sandbox with limited space was allways a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/128 "2018-05-04T13:47:14Z")
> [@Rovinia](#): > > By the way, having indestructible player built objects in a sandbox with limited space was allways a bad idea. Yeah, it was a mistake right from the start. And see where it did lead us years after. CCP needs to provide more and more bonuses because “players will not use this when they have indestructible outposts” and like… Nothing can be fixed in history but they can do it right next time they add something new. ---
**Author:** ![Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gregorius_goldstein/32/11133_2.png) [@Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gregorius_Goldstein)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/129 "2018-05-04T14:33:50Z")
Once you (re-) deploy such an outpost it will be a major magnet for conflict? Would a small independent alliance even wan’t to own such an content creator? Honest question. ---
**Author:** ![Doomchinchilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doomchinchilla/32/117312_2.png) [@Doomchinchilla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doomchinchilla)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/130 "2018-05-04T14:57:56Z")
Thanks for provi @Graz3r XD ---
**Author:** ![Rovinia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rovinia/32/483428_2.png) [@Rovinia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rovinia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/131 "2018-05-04T14:58:49Z")
> Thanks for provi @Graz3r XD ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/5/9583875f65f3bb2039b75d5ef390fb2751fffc6c.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/132 "2018-05-04T15:52:07Z")
Sure it will attract bigger fish. And if you don’t want to play by their rules (pay to some, join other, etc…) then your only hope is to be smaller and stay under the radar. Not very different from flying expensive ships. For example: would you buy AT ship to run missions in high-sec knowing that soon there will be gank squad on your back? Nope for sure. The same story basically. If you want to have something interesting for others be prepared to defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/133 "2018-05-04T17:42:38Z")
Your comments are a ■■■■■■■ disgrace, I’m glad my time with this game is coming to an end. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/134 "2018-05-04T18:31:28Z")
I would say all of us is glad! ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/135 "2018-05-04T19:14:58Z")
@Drago_Shouna - I 100% agree! Absolutely disgusting and a shameful disgrace! I too will probably be leaving EvE soon. Until then I’ll gratefully accept any stuff you might generously let me use for a little while. When you contract things to me write who or where you want me to give it to when I also leave soon (that is, if you care anyway) and I’ll go through the bother of that so you don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shalmon_aliatus/32/392805_2.png) [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shalmon_Aliatus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/136 "2018-05-04T21:35:11Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > Every one of these pilots started out the same as you. In a shitty little corvette, with a bunch of dreams and aspirations. And some happen to have enough RL isk to upgrade very fast by buying plex. All humans are born the same, but given your environment their live can be very different. > [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > Just look at the number of dead corporations and alliances in New Eden. It’s a political graveyard where tens of thousands have tried to achieve greatness, and all but a fraction of a percent have fallen. The problem I see is that the graveyard becomes bigger, but the the fraction stays pretty much the same. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/137 "2018-05-04T21:38:30Z")
> [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](#): > > And some happen to have enough RL isk to upgrade very fast by buying plex. All humans are born the same, but given your environment their live can be very different. Okay…so? > [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](#): > > The problem I see is that the graveyard becomes bigger, but the the fraction stays pretty much the same. Okay…so? ---
**Author:** ![Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shalmon_aliatus/32/392805_2.png) [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shalmon_Aliatus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/138 "2018-05-04T21:41:03Z")
Check Singularity Server. We don’t have a server we can evac to. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/139 "2018-05-04T21:42:11Z")
Hiking in Malibu is a wonderful weekend activity. ---
**Author:** ![Krysenth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krysenth/32/58194_2.png) [@Krysenth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krysenth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/140 "2018-05-04T22:33:11Z")
Man, you’re having one hell of a whiny \*\*\*\*\* moment arent you? How much would you like to bet that of all the assets currently stored in sovnull outposts will measure into the trillions of isk? Me personally? I’d be glad to finally be able to pick up ■■■■ I’ve left behind in places. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456/141 "2018-05-04T23:00:43Z")
i yelled at them already abut this almost 2 years ago last time i was playing a bit. however after consideration of CCP Falcone words we now have the motive and the person with the means to conduct the trashing of providence…because he got beat ingame there oh so long ago…and this is nothing more than revenge for that…though it has taken him a decade to engineer it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hands-over-free-faction-citadels-to-powerbloc-leadership-after-outpost-conversion/72456.md?page=8)