# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/185 "2020-02-12T08:22:27Z")
see that is the only kind of thing you say on here to people not just me . and you call me miserable, ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/186 "2020-02-12T08:32:54Z")
Yes, I am. Cos you are. You even seem to think that when people laugh at you they are unhappy. This is wrong - laughing at you means they find you or what you say funny. Lighten up miseryguts - you’ll find life better that way. ---
**Author:** ![Claire\_42a](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claire_42a/32/334911_2.png) [@Claire\_42a](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claire_42a)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/187 "2020-02-12T08:35:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_Boggart](#): > > It’s not that CCP hates miners… It is just that they want to nerf mining because right now, the fact is that there is way more mining & production compared to destruction. > > Mining is an activity that was too safe. With multiboxing, the same guy could come with a rorqual and 10 hulks and mine like crazy 20 hours a day and flood the market with ore… It was not really a probelm when the game was at top, but there is less and less destruction but more and more people mining afk. > > I’m a miner myself but mining have to become a real activity in the game, not an afk activity in which you can mine safely anywhere with a fleet of 20 account multiboxing… Hello Johnny Boggart, As far as I remember, this is, or used to be at least a sandbox. If the players want to mine their hearts out, who gets to decide that they can’t? Who gets to decide how you, as a player paying sub or mining your heart out to buy plex, have to spend your time in their game? What is the point of the nerf? Who or what are they trying to hit? Who needed or wanted this nerf? Do you have any idea? ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/188 "2020-02-12T08:41:16Z")
at its heart this is nothing more than Attempting to once again Manufacture Conflict…for gaming news headlines. the last thing ccp wants obviously is stable player run empires for some reason. they only care to be merchants of death destruction and anarchy. replay the technetium war here we go [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZQ4ejFq7BY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZQ4ejFq7BY) ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/189 "2020-02-12T08:43:47Z")
If you make mining more difficult or take more effort then miners who know what they’re doing will have less competition and will have better income. The only ones who are negatively affected are the lazy ones, the clueless ones. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/190 "2020-02-12T09:07:38Z")
This^^ … 10x this. Adapt or quit. ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/191 "2020-02-12T09:12:02Z")
The fact that this was ever possible in a cheap rorq is the problem lol… ---
**Author:** ![Raes\_Ongrard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raes_ongrard/32/249602_2.png) [@Raes\_Ongrard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raes_Ongrard)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/192 "2020-02-12T09:20:29Z")
If you look at the big picture, then in all directions, there is always a slight degradation. When new content arrives, it’s highly profitable for a while. And then the yield falls, falls, falls. ССP try to make the game difficult. And the longer the content exists, the more it is balanced. To bring low income. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_Soban](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_soban/32/367858_2.png) [@Cpt\_Soban](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_Soban)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/193 "2020-02-12T09:24:30Z")
“but i wanna watch netflix while I afk mine with 20 rorqs in one site!” ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/194 "2020-02-12T09:35:06Z")
> [@Aetran\_Molou](#): > > cheap rorq This is basically it ---
**Author:** ![Claire\_42a](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claire_42a/32/334911_2.png) [@Claire\_42a](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claire_42a)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/195 "2020-02-12T10:24:51Z")
> [@Raes\_Ongrard](#): > > If you look at the big picture, then in all directions, there is always a slight degradation. When new content arrives, it’s highly profitable for a while. And then the yield falls, falls, falls. ССP try to make the game difficult. And the longer the content exists, the more it is balanced. To bring low income. low income, so everyone pays for sub or what? What’s the next profitable thing they’ll nerf in your logic? ded sites? Every inventive way to make nice profit, players come up with gets nerfed. Same for astrahus farming drifters. And for what? I will ask this again. Nerfs for who or what? Everyone has access to everything in this game. Yeah well maybe not to dronelands if you don’t speak chinese or russian. fair enough ---
**Author:** ![Shahni\_Khashour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shahni_khashour/32/171128_2.png) [@Shahni\_Khashour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shahni_Khashour)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/196 "2020-02-12T10:43:41Z")
^ Shame, poor kid thinks its only `chinese or russians` in dronelands. giggles. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/197 "2020-02-12T11:31:40Z")
But people ARE content for other people, that’s the entire concept of ONLINE gaming. Your industrial gameplay doesn’t exist without clients to buy what you mine/product. Every client is your content. ---
**Author:** ![Raes\_Ongrard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raes_ongrard/32/249602_2.png) [@Raes\_Ongrard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raes_Ongrard)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/198 "2020-02-12T11:44:13Z")
Low income for everyone. To play was harder. Real survival. The ideal is everywhere null-sec, evil hungry pirates, and drifters rush at everyone. No income at all, only resistance. Players fight back, and developers drop more and more attackers on them. Invasions are everywhere! Death, hunger and pestilence. I will tell you frankly again. Crabs love to suffer. Gangsters love andrenaline. ССPs help put this together. plan ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/7/a75a0fcc55c0dd06b2b73a3b908ac1cece27fc76.jpeg) realization ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/3/3396d1f477c2f62565355df17efd8e3b870f05df.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/199 "2020-02-12T12:36:48Z")
#CorvetteRoams2020 ---
**Author:** ![000Hunter000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/000hunter000/32/465654_2.png) [@000Hunter000](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/000Hunter000)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/200 "2020-02-12T12:54:20Z")
Dunno what to say, don’t care about 0.0 but the Trigs in hi sec are annoying for smalltime solo miners, even if your not afk mining (which i never do), they hit so hard you just have to run away. Suggestion for CCP, make them hit a lil less hard, you can still make it so, if u afk mine you evt. get whacked, but atleast give the newb the chance to run away and not get OMGWTFPWNBBQ’ed in one volley 🤣 I wonder how many newbs get whacked on a daily basis, because they have no clue about the Trigs, any numbers on that? FYI, i have not yet lost anything but a couple a drones to the trigs and gained some exp. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/201 "2020-02-12T13:24:14Z")
I approve of these mining changes and those to be made in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/202 "2020-02-12T13:26:36Z")
I think the worst part is that the overviews suggested to new players don’t have the trigs on it by default. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/203 "2020-02-12T13:59:38Z")
Not just newbies. Look on Zkill. There are Skiffs and even Orcas being taken out by Trig patrols. Oh well, that’s what happens when you mine AFK… ---
**Author:** ![Othello\_Warspite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/othello_warspite/32/146796_2.png) [@Othello\_Warspite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Othello_Warspite)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/204 "2020-02-12T14:27:25Z")
CCP reduces the mineral supply. OK. Therefore, the minerals that are mined are more valuable. Therefore, mining is worth more per hour. Therefore, CCP hates miners. Got it. By that logic, I wish my employer would hate me with a passion. I could use more income. The people this hurts are mainly going to be the capital producers, since they need the most minerals per product, and will therefore have both higher costs and a much reduced market. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=11)