# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Sally\_en\_Chalune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sally_en_chalune/32/421424_2.png) [@Sally\_en\_Chalune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sally_en_Chalune)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/205 "2020-02-12T14:28:54Z")
Ikr?! Your comment made me smile, thanks. So many whining posts on the forum right now. Miners’s pain make me smile, no let me put it that way - anyone’s pain in this game makes me smile. This is why I play, I don’t really care about any changes if I can have fun in the game. I will stop playing when I will stop having fun. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/206 "2020-02-12T14:35:55Z")
“You took my fun away!” There really is an easy decision. Find something else in the game that’s fun, or quit. It really demonstrates the lack of maturity in some players. ---
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/207 "2020-02-12T14:47:45Z")
Yeah I can look forward to using anything better than a procured once a week for moon mining now. My hulk is too efficient for the belts in null. There are better ways to thwart bot mining ops than punishing small time miners. I already missing sitting in a belt woth 5 or 6 other miners with buffs small talking and chilling, no down time moving every cycle and the belts dry…this is with low level miners… At this point I might,as well move to high sec and not deal with the downsides of null and go mine near jita…this change actually makes me consider getting a few alpha accounts and venture botting tbh… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/208 "2020-02-12T16:49:02Z")
> [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](#): > > My hulk is too efficient for the belts in null. That’s an utter nonsense concept. If your hulk mines fast enough to finish off all of the ore in less than the time you have available to play it means that you can instead spend that time on doing something other than mining. And it says a lot that you’d rather settle for less mining yield by moving to highsec because the only thing you want to do is passively mine. ---
**Author:** ![Tak\_Goden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tak_goden/32/260085_2.png) [@Tak\_Goden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tak_Goden)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/209 "2020-02-12T19:16:41Z")
> [@Kace\_Robins](#): > > > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > > > You made this thread on a public forum cos you are a whiny b1tch who is butthurt cos you can’t afk-mine in your lil safe space. > > Not going to defend the guy as I don’t know him and don’t much care, BUT I ought to say I think you’re a whiny little ■■■■ too. All your posts are basically you talking ■■■■ to other people or bitching about something you don’t like. > > So yeah, you’re not much better. Now ■■■■ off. Can I like this a million times please? ---
**Author:** ![thatonepersone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thatonepersone/32/325256_2.png) [@thatonepersone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/thatonepersone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/210 "2020-02-12T20:28:19Z")
I’m just glad the price to pvp will go up, and the miners will get more isk for less time. ---
**Author:** ![thatonepersone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thatonepersone/32/325256_2.png) [@thatonepersone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/thatonepersone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/211 "2020-02-12T20:29:40Z")
Maybe he doesn’t want to do something other than mining. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/212 "2020-02-12T21:16:41Z")
All those nerfs were necessary because CCP screwed the pooch and made Rorquals the OP mining ship. If Rorquals had been left as fleet support ships only, EvE would be much better off. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/213 "2020-02-12T21:19:40Z")
Weren’t you the guy that said you built 1 titan/week? Supers were never meant to be mass produced, so you have been enjoying a windfall of minerals during the past few years. It seems that is about to stop. Adapt or die! ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Bison](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nick_bison/32/384927_2.png) [@Nick\_Bison](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nick_Bison)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/214 "2020-02-12T21:37:51Z")
If your corp/alliance doesn’t want to put the effort into protecting their miners, so be it. I recall bubbling gates and WH, having scouts on those location to give fair warning and then the miners would mine away, always being wary. Now, it’s just too safe to do solo/afk … need to adapt and think of a new strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Sin\_Charen-Teng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sin_charen-teng/32/178739_2.png) [@Sin\_Charen-Teng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sin_Charen-Teng)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/215 "2020-02-12T21:56:41Z")
When you fools learn that it is NOT about the miners, but the BOTS then you might see an end to this thread……… I say BOTS - I mean “Spots” but clearly none of you are old enough to “Spot” the difference………… What CCP have done here is Genius - Nothing short of. I gotta hand it to them - for once, they have done what was needed. Go take a flyby around ANY 0.5 System that has Athanors anchored and see how many people are active - This is NOT ABOUT NULL OR LOW - it’s about the HS Bot’s Simple as. The Null and LowSec Alliances have agreements that can cope with this stuff - the Bot’s in HS, do not. It needed to be done and Hat’s off to CCP for making it so. BAN HS MOONS - HS MOONS should NOT exist - if you want to get serious then go join the LS or NS or WH groups but DO NOT BOT in HS. Well done to TEAM Security for this one - It’s about time you guys took some credit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/216 "2020-02-12T22:51:01Z")
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**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/217 "2020-02-12T23:34:47Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > Oh so before most of the nerfs. Today I would like to see you make 6 bil in 2 days with a rorq Sure. I never said it was after the nerfs. And thats kind of the problem with Rorqs. The current state of the market is proof of that. ---
**Author:** ![thatonepersone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thatonepersone/32/325256_2.png) [@thatonepersone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/thatonepersone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/219 "2020-02-13T00:17:18Z")
“stick to the new trend and get out there ratting where the real money printing is.” This is actually a nerf to ratting, a nerf to pvp and a buff to indy. The cost of ships and modules is going up but the pay outs from ratting stays the same. Miners can now use smaller ships that can get away easier than the big rorqs, and they are risking less isk to make what might end up being the same or more isk. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/220 "2020-02-13T00:17:19Z")
> [@Kace\_Robins](#): > > Not going to defend the guy as I don’t know him and don’t much care, BUT I ought to say I think you’re a whiny little ■■■■ too. All your posts are basically you talking ■■■■ to other people or bitching about something you don’t like. Whenever a non-effort “EVE is a PVE game” lazy clown, who refuses to accept that he himself is responsible for his own well being in EVE, says something stupid we’ll call him a non-effort lazy clown. If people don’t like being called non-effort lazy clowns then perhaps they should stop acting like one. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/221 "2020-02-13T00:19:57Z")
> [@thatonepersone](#): > > This is actually a nerf to ratting, a nerf to pvp and a buff to indy. > > The cost of ships and modules is going up but the pay outs from ratting stays the same. > > Miners can now use smaller ships that can get away easier than the big rorqs, and they are risking less isk to make what might end up being the same or more isk. Exactly, but the thing is that these miners chose the mining life for a _reason_ because it requires just 2 braincells and zero effort. It’s kinda difficult for them to use any sort of logical reasoning to come to this, or any other sensible, conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/223 "2020-02-13T00:26:48Z")
I don’t because I don’t enjoy it. I enjoy PVP which HAS been nerfed over and over for more than a decade, while all low effort Fisher Price gameplay PVE has been buffed for over a decade. Rorquals were a dumb idea from the beginning. WAY too powerful and all they really did was make mining for mere mortals who don’t own a fleet or rorquals (you know, sane people who don’t run 5+ accounts) pretty much a waste of time. Rorquals are the supercaps of mining, super caps made normal PVP largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Normal players, both pve and pvp, are shafted by these idiotic ■■■■■■■■ ships. Fck supercaps. ---
**Author:** ![thatonepersone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thatonepersone/32/325256_2.png) [@thatonepersone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/thatonepersone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/224 "2020-02-13T00:49:32Z")
You can make modules worth more by reducing the availability of minerals though, which ccp has done. So while inflation increases, pve payouts remain about the same. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/225 "2020-02-13T01:10:32Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > inflating PLEX prices shamelessly I currently pay around 3.2mil per PLEX and 4-5 months ago they were averaging 4.1-4.3mil per. Surely that is “deflation” yes? > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > using T2 mining barges, using Orcas for boosts and only mining with an active defense fleet on standby at all times. Eh? Using Skiffs/Hulks is a terrible idea. Why would you do that? Porps & Procs/Covetors are much better. “Ha ha I blew up your 2 Porps and your 2 Procs” “Oh no, I have to now spend 200mil for ships and fits to replace them. How will I do that while only getting 900mil this afternoon in them…?..” Also, keep this in mind - I will be rich if I have £10mil, so let’s give everyone £10mil and we can all be rich! Wait - that just means we will still all have the same amount of money and prices will just rise accordingly so whatever the cost is I will still be spending the same % of my money on my groceries. See? Just cos there is “less for everyone” meaning the “isk per whatever will rise for everyone” it makes no real difference as proportionally it will be exactly the same. There will be no “major shift of financial power ingame” at all. Costs will rise in the same proportion as income so… no difference, just less minerals per {time} so it will be… you know… no different overall. > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > At least with ratting the money is a guaranteed steady reward for And this is where you fall down. The bounties will remain the same, the drops will remain the same but if you are making, for example, 250mil per week with the hours you spend ratting -BUT- the prices rise for the ship/fit/etc you replace periodically due to bad luck or w/e then… your 250mil (example) will not go as far as it did. So… about that thing you said about it being good for all the players of all kinds… erm… ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/227 "2020-02-13T01:30:15Z")
Plex prices change due to supply vs demand. Inflation has very little to do with it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=12)