# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/251 "2020-02-13T07:13:19Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > One of those caveats is huge, that no minerals are ever taken out of the system by people quitting. Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the things CCP is trying to address with this change: people amassing a pile of imaginary things, and then quitting out of boredom. Dynamic resource allocation should be better in every way for providing content to players, including these very pouty and self-centered miners claiming their compulsive grinding cannot be disturbed, even for the betterment of the game. This is CCP, and Eve is a complex ecosystem, so it could go horribly wrong of course, but at least trying to fix the mess they have made is necessary at this point. Unless some massive war break out (which won’t; see above), there is probably enough supply of ships already on the market to last out a few weeks CCP wants at the current rate of ship loss. Speculators might mess with that, but whatever, that is the game. More content for them. There is absolutely no danger of actual shortages over the few month time-frame given the oversupplied state of the economy. And if there was, that would be a golden opportunity for an intrepid miner to go find some of the now very valuable ore and make a killing. It’s all still available, just not in the massive portions dumped into your mining hold with zero risk and minimal effort as miners have been gorging on for years now. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/252 "2020-02-13T07:21:39Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the things CCP is trying to address with this change: people amassing a pile of imaginary things, and then quitting out of boredom. And maybe people just quit with piles of things at whatever stage they quit. I mean, really, that’s your best argument? Of course, I’m also not saying panic, we have no idea what CCP are doing to common mineral distribution in moon ores, so they may effectively negate the removal of standard ores by upping the normal minerals in moon ores. Wait and see should be the motto here. I am cautious that they may be wrecking the high sec moon mining though, given how low value the moon ores in high sec moons are, unless they are going to add traces of the high end moon ores & high end minerals to them. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > find some of the now very valuable ore This doesn’t work and never has. The ore is not valuable enough to make up for the time spent hunting for it. It’s not like you can spend an hour searching and find crystals worth 5000 times as much for your effort. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/253 "2020-02-13T07:35:59Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > Rorqs now also have no point. Confirming rorquals have no point at all! > **[Rorqual | georgy Free | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81609525/)** > > georgy Free (State War Academy) lost their Rorqual in Maila (The Forge). Final Blow by KriszTheKing (Roulette.) flying in a Nyx. Total Value: 1,661,830,495.20 ISK > **[Rorqual | Wrecker Stough | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81599388/)** > > Wrecker Stough (Eve Managers) lost their Rorqual in Ennur (Molden Heath). Final Blow by SiberianCat (DeLait) flying in a Moros. Total Value: 5,320,171,045.32 ISK > **[Rorqual | Smurpheous | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81593121/)** > > Smurpheous (Mass n.V.) lost their Rorqual in Promised Land (Genesis). Final Blow by Spring Arbor (Black Pig Bang inc.) flying in a Leshak. Total Value: 4,644,013,644.18 ISK Not a single point! 😮 BUT YOU KNOW WHO HAS A POINT? MARLA _(not her real name)_ HAS A POINT! BETWEEN HER EYEBROWS! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/9/29465ffb6b09e816955592c8c2e2fb8ba71c9535.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/254 "2020-02-13T09:02:58Z")
Now you have had a rant or letting off some steam, and you have been trolled by the normal Eve forum crew I suggest you sit back and read this again: > **[Moon Mineral Distribution | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q5jp49/moon-mineral-distribution?origin=launcher&utm_medium=app&utm_source=launcher)** > > Upcoming changes to the mineral distribution. The plan consists of three phases: - Shortage phase - Re-distribution phase - Dynamic distribution phase I for one hope that they do this right and make it a lot more interesting. And CCP don’t hate miners as such, but they are not keen on this excessive over-production and too much and too easy to hoover up ore, which has made everything rather pointless and there is no conflict due to it. Sit back and enjoy the ride, adapt and wait and see what CCP is intending to do. One issue that people need to understand, certain alliances have absolutely massive mineral stocks and those must work through the system first. I expect that they will make a major effort to maintain that strategic reserve and CCP is likely to have their eyes on it. So could be a long initial ride on the shortage phase. ---
**Author:** ![Antic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antic/32/297532_2.png) [@Antic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/255 "2020-02-13T09:13:56Z")
How exactly will this change encourage conflict? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/256 "2020-02-13T09:18:33Z")
Scarcity of resources is a major conflict driver. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/257 "2020-02-13T09:21:31Z")
> [@Antic](#): > > How exactly will this change encourage conflict? It’s about getting every miner from the server and the main goal of all those anti mining and anti pve nerfs is to get rid of every miner and pve player so that the maybe 5k pvp players can kill themselves over and over again in an endless loop to be happy… ‘Eve is a pvp game’ remember…? I never thought the stupidness level of CCP would surprise even me but i was wrong… The nerfs of null ore anomalies and moon ore surprises even me… On the other hand it’s only consequent if the goal of it all is the one i mentioned… CCP let the people do their thing and stop bothering them with those stupid nerf hammers…they will not applaud you,they just leave… The only guys applauding you are the pvp guys,their wet dream of pvp only is getting closer and closer… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/258 "2020-02-13T09:29:15Z")
Can I have your stuff when you quit? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/259 "2020-02-13T09:30:38Z")
You know that,if ccp and eve reaches the 5k,you would also be forced to quit because the server is history? So no…you will not need my stuff 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/260 "2020-02-13T09:30:55Z")
I would suggest that you step back, unsub for a bit and wait to see how it pans out. A number of my contacts have done that, as their gameplay was mining I don’t blame them. Keep your stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/261 "2020-02-13T09:32:03Z")
As i said…the 5 k pvp only are coming closer and ccp don’t even bother…sad… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/262 "2020-02-13T09:51:09Z")
> [@Antic](#): > > How exactly will this change encourage conflict? Did CCP say it was meant to encourage conflict? Or does it simply add meaning to conflict which happens for other reasons since destruction actually has increased value? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/263 "2020-02-13T09:58:28Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > You know that,if ccp and eve reaches the 5k,you would also be forced to quit because the server is history? Better miners will pick up where you stopped and will thrive even more with less competition and the resources being more valuable. This will fix EVE (partially) and actually make it interesting again, not kill it. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > So no…you will not need my stuff 🙂 You will not need it anyway when you quit, so what does it matter to you? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/264 "2020-02-13T10:02:00Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You will not need it anyway when you quit, so what does it matter to you? The moment the server closes i will repost this and remember you how naive you were… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_Navigator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faith_navigator/32/183608_2.png) [@Faith\_Navigator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faith_Navigator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/265 "2020-02-13T10:02:12Z")
Forgot about cyno changes and mining anom changes(2nd edition) not to mention the soon to come moon mining changes which are 3 fold in the same patch which is coming soon. Cyno was not specifically at rorquals but it did affect them. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/266 "2020-02-13T10:03:04Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > The only guys applauding you are the pvp guys Not true, I have been playing Eve for a long time. I have rarely left hi-sec, I have never indulged in PvP. I’m a miner, industrialist, mission runner and I think these are good changes, or at least the **goal** of these changes is worth a little pain in the now. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/267 "2020-02-13T10:03:38Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Not true, I have been playing Eve for a long time. I have rarely left hi-sec, I have never indulged in PvP. I’m a miner, industrialist, mission runner and I think these are good changes, or at least the **goal** of these changes is worth a little pain in the now. Naive…at best… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/268 "2020-02-13T10:04:14Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > The moment the server closes i will repost this and remember you how naive you were… The server will not close just because some miner trash quits. No one will even notice you are gone. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/269 "2020-02-13T10:06:09Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > The server will not close just because some miner trash quits. No one will even notice you are gone. No the server will close because 5 k of PVP trash will not be enough to cover the costs of it… I already said that but your selective perception hinders you to see it … ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_Navigator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faith_navigator/32/183608_2.png) [@Faith\_Navigator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faith_Navigator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/270 "2020-02-13T10:07:56Z")
It is pretty amazing to me that in a game with dwindling players that even the mere suggestion of people just quitting is the most troll crap I see come out of pvpers posts. It is pretty ignorant to do this not only for the health of the game but for the content they provide. Maybe instead of insulting them and brushing their concerns aside you could offer suggestions to get them to stay, if you do not know how to help them than just shut the hell up. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=14)