# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/271 "2020-02-13T10:16:18Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > No the server will close because 5 k of PVP trash will not be enough to cover the costs of it… I don’t think CCP will lose any revenue if the only people that are quitting are farmers who payed their subs with ISK. You don’t add money to CCPs wallet, you just consume a PLEX someone else bought. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > I already said that but your selective perception hinders you to see it … Yeah, when people just post random numbers it can easily be ignored. No one will notice when all you whiners quit. > [@Faith\_Navigator](#): > > Maybe instead of insulting them and brushing their concerns aside you could offer suggestions to get them to stay, if you do not know how to help them than just shut the hell up. But I don’t want them to stay. They are the reason the game is stagnant and boring. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_Navigator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faith_navigator/32/183608_2.png) [@Faith\_Navigator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faith_Navigator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/272 "2020-02-13T10:26:19Z")
As I said in the first part of my post it is irrelevant because we should all be about more pilots in space regardless of their intentions in that space because it provides content. Instead of acting like a child and insulting them get them to stay and adjust to the changes to still provide players in space. The name of the game is keeping people involved and insulting them the way that you do and the blatant ignorance you have towards the health of the game as a whole does not help the situation. Remember that CCP created this situation not the players that used it to their advantage. They are just playing with the tools that CCP put in the game. Treating them like crap does not help the game in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/273 "2020-02-13T10:27:57Z")
I disagree. The game would be better off without some of those people. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_Navigator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faith_navigator/32/183608_2.png) [@Faith\_Navigator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faith_Navigator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/274 "2020-02-13T10:30:54Z")
Than your ignorance shows true and you obviously do not know what you are talking about just being a troll in the forums. Please disregard anything this person says because all they care about is the nonsensical crying about how players use the tools given to them in a sandbox to maximum effect. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/275 "2020-02-13T10:58:46Z")
you type a lot but it’s not like there’s any substance, meaning or logic to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/276 "2020-02-13T11:09:44Z")
All because CCP is looking to balance the game? Perhaps Eve isn’t for you. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/278 "2020-02-13T12:19:34Z")
miner, calm down ---
**Author:** ![Tazmanian\_Devill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tazmanian_devill/32/410537_2.png) [@Tazmanian\_Devill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tazmanian_Devill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/279 "2020-02-13T12:21:45Z")
i am calm i just don’t like your thinking, i want to pvp just not now, you can’t expect everyone to pvp just because “sandbox” or “is allowed to gank” or other dumb idiotic things you come with. i do not want to pvp now, i want a stable income while my skills are growing , understand ? ---
**Author:** ![Carn\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carn_dallocort/32/413074_2.png) [@Carn\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carn_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/280 "2020-02-13T12:25:12Z")
Wait wait… you’re a highsec ganker and think you’re a net positive to the game? xD You don’t “PvP”, you literally just find targets that can’t fight back or are at a severe disadvantage haha ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/281 "2020-02-13T12:39:43Z")
If you undock your ship you clearly want to PvP. > [@Carn\_Dallocort](#): > > you’re a highsec ganker and think you’re a net positive to the game? Yes and yes > [@Carn\_Dallocort](#): > > You don’t “PvP”, you literally just find targets that can’t fight back or are at a severe disadvantage haha I really don’t care if you think it isn’t PvP. I dunk miners because it is fun. If they chose to fly a defenseless ship that is their fault. ---
**Author:** ![Carn\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carn_dallocort/32/413074_2.png) [@Carn\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carn_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/282 "2020-02-13T12:42:19Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Yes and yes Considering CCP actively took steps against highsec wardeccers and gankers over the years with CONCORD and most recently wardec changes, you’re a little off mate 😉 But heyho, can’t be blamed for that, you’re a highsec ganker… haha > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I really don’t care if you think it isn’t PvP. I dunk miners because it is fun. If they chose to fly a defenseless ship that is their fault. N’awww, no one really cares about you either mate so enjoy your epeen stroking in highsec and keep your opinions to yourself haha ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/283 "2020-02-13T12:42:49Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > The moment the server closes i will repost this and remember you how naive you were… 🙂 Well yes, I have no doubt you will do, for two reasons: 1. No matter how hard you cry we know you are the kind who will never leave EvE, so you will be here when it happen. 2. No matter what is the true reason as to why the server close at some point, you are stubborn enough to still believe that it is YOUR reason and not any other one that cause this. ---
**Author:** ![Tazmanian\_Devill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tazmanian_devill/32/410537_2.png) [@Tazmanian\_Devill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tazmanian_Devill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/284 "2020-02-13T12:43:25Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > If you undock your ship you clearly want to PvP. what? ahahahahaaha , this my friends is how stupidity is shown. You sir are the most idiotic person on earth today, how can you come with such nonsense lol? ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/285 "2020-02-13T12:45:34Z")
> [@Tazmanian\_Devill](#): > > what? ahahahahaaha , this my friends is how stupidity is shown. You sir are the most idiotic person on earth today, how can you come with such nonsense lol? > [@8 Golden Rules for EVE Online](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973): > > [image] These are based on [Akita T’s Golden rules for new players](https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=588605), originally published on the old forums. Be able to afford a loss Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can’t afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit. Consent to PvP You consent to PvP when you click “undock”. You are not safe in 1.0 security space. [CONCORD](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208902-CONCORD) is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea. In most case… This is just what the game is. You are the one being stupid if you refuse it. ---
**Author:** ![Tazmanian\_Devill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tazmanian_devill/32/410537_2.png) [@Tazmanian\_Devill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tazmanian_Devill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/286 "2020-02-13T12:48:40Z")
Dude you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, if people would want to pvp all the time then imagine what would be in Jita, but oh wait “not even in high sec” , please use your brain and a lil bit of common sense and try to understand the point of view of people instead of showing me a “golden rule” . ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/287 "2020-02-13T12:50:05Z")
> [@Carn\_Dallocort](#): > > N’awww, no one really cares about you either mate so enjoy your epeen stroking in highsec and keep your opinions to yourself haha > [@Tazmanian\_Devill](#): > > what? ahahahahaaha , this my friends is how stupidity is shown. You sir are the most idiotic person on earth today, how can you come with such nonsense lol? Can you both please calm down. You are embarrassing yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/288 "2020-02-13T12:51:24Z")
> [@Tazmanian\_Devill](#): > > Dude you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, if people would want to pvp all the time then imagine what would be in Jita, but oh wait “not even in high sec” , please use your brain and a lil bit of common sense and try to understand the point of view of people instead of showing me a “golden rule” . It’s called a “golden rule” because it is 1000 times more relevant than the “point” you are trying to make and nobody gives a flying ■■■■ about. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/289 "2020-02-13T12:54:07Z")
> [@Tazmanian\_Devill](#): > > if people would want to pvp all the time Name an activity in Eve that isn’t PvP related, the commonest definition of PvP being that of an interactive conflict between 2 or more participants. As per the new player FAQ, an official CCP document. > Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you enter New Eden **you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP** since this is the core game concept. In the asteroid field you’re **competing** with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to **defend** against ore thieves. On the market you **battle** for control of the economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products **versus** other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may **fight** for glory, for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. ---
**Author:** ![Carn\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carn_dallocort/32/413074_2.png) [@Carn\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carn_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/290 "2020-02-13T12:55:36Z")
I’m perfectly calm mate, your hysterics and temper tantrums that people like things other than shooting easy targets is actually providing my lunchtime entertainment 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Tazmanian\_Devill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tazmanian_devill/32/410537_2.png) [@Tazmanian\_Devill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tazmanian_Devill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/292 "2020-02-13T12:58:31Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Name an activity in Eve that isn’t PvP related Another one that has perception problems but let me give you a feedback of what i’ve learned this month : PVE and mining. Want me to elaborate PVE ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=15)