# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/439 "2020-02-17T15:13:22Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Try cooking a meal when mining in somewhere you have never been. Like NS for example. When I go to Null-Sec I intend to do something else than loosing my Omega time mining, to be honnest. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/440 "2020-02-17T15:50:25Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Try cooking a meal when mining in somewhere you have never been. Like NS for example. I can and I have done this while mining in Null. ---
**Author:** ![Lfod\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lfod_shi/32/376240_2.png) [@Lfod\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lfod_Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/441 "2020-02-17T16:02:56Z")
It most certainly is a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/442 "2020-02-17T16:08:16Z")
> [@Kira\_Hhallas](#): > > ah come on, you cant blame player to go to a bigger alliance. Yes you can. It may be human nature to blob up together, but you can have control and stay in a smaller group where you know everyone better, if you wish/choose. Mother nature wants us all to make 20 babies, btw, but do we all? no, most of us do not. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/443 "2020-02-17T16:16:24Z")
> [@Morgando\_LeFrick\_Anzomi](#): > > Have you seen Kusion in Uedama, he runs like 30 ships ganking. Yep. and he does it with cascaded windows, manually. It’s impressive to watch (he’s put it on twitch and youtube in the past). I have a friend who can do all 40 ships in a HQ incursion fleet with just EVE-O Preview. ofc, back in the input broadcasting day, every multiboxer and their mother had huge NM and/or Vargur fleets, but… thanks to that being banned and then vfx, it’s really down to just FOF missiles and sentries or heavy drones/geckos these days. There are still SOME that manually control many gunboats at once, no need for drones or missiles. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/444 "2020-02-17T16:16:55Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > In a world where they are generated infinitelly, it is. > > Mining is literally creating value out of nowhere. … ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/5/753f97c4dc8f8f1a9a9ecd4d2ad1dcfc9b0c7a13.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/445 "2020-02-17T16:18:01Z")
So the ore available in game is not unlimited? ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/446 "2020-02-17T16:18:56Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > CCP need to find a way to fix the damage they did with BO and cyno nerfs. Prime time of the year for Eve and PCU is still at summer levels and again with the most recent changes individual and small group players are hardest hit - CCP keep showing time and again they just don’t know how to fix their mistakes. I for one will not give them anymore of my money or time simply to watch them further destroy what was once a good game. Without the DDOSes of the past month, maybe they’d be able to. But a combination of factors is severely limiting their ability to attract players back to the game and/or retain current players to the degree they normally can. These are truly interesting times we live in, in all senses of the words. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/447 "2020-02-17T16:23:30Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > “Regroup” _(i think that’s what it’s called? I forgot)_ in the fleet window moves every ship in the fleet towards the FC. Warping off is, of course, self explanatory and then there’s people like The Australian Excellence™ who can teach us peasants _(relatively speaking, of course)_ how it’s done. > > Note: I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying that I can see someone being dedicated enough to make it happen, with the game providing at least _some_ support for that. “Regroup” really helps a lot and hardware nowadays is definitely up to the task. Yes, not a lot of people know about regroup. Any command position (from squad to wing to fleet) can use it to make every ship under them in the fleet that’s on grid approach and auto-orbit them. It’s a very tight orbit, so as long as the FC or WC or SC keeps moving away from the fleet, they will just anchor up behind the leader rather than swirl around him in orbits. It’s great for setting up an all-together-in-one-warp-bubble fleet/wing/squad warp. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/448 "2020-02-17T16:31:12Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > So the ore available in game is not unlimited you’re missing the point. No surprise there. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/449 "2020-02-17T16:32:38Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > you’re missing the point. No surprise there. Yeah, and instead of explaining the said point if you actually believe that I’m missing it, you post useless memes and even more useless answer. No surprise there either. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/450 "2020-02-17T18:38:31Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > instead of explaining the said point if you actually believe that I’m missing it It already GOT explained to you by others while you’re not actually listening to what they were saying. So there’s very little point, we can’t help or teach stupid so instead we’ll just point and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Kira\_Hhallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kira_hhallas/32/401600_2.png) [@Kira\_Hhallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kira_Hhallas)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/452 "2020-02-17T18:47:13Z")
There is no need of 20 babies… because today, 18 doesn’t die. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/453 "2020-02-17T19:14:56Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > When I go to Null-Sec I intend km8 Kind of proves the point. Thanks. > [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > I can and I have done this while mining in Null. Being in Pandy Handy is not really the same though tbf. Kind of like saying “I have never been bitten by a shark” when someone else has gone to the trouble of installing enormous shark-nets for you. Nice try though. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/454 "2020-02-17T19:23:07Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Being in Pandy Handy is not really the same though tbf. Kind of like saying “I have never been bitten by a shark” when someone else has gone to the trouble of installing enormous shark-nets for you. Nice try though. How about another example, then. Outside of Null but still in the same principle. I haven’t always been in Pandemic Horde. I lived in a C5 a couple of months ago. I’d sometimes clear the rats from low-class gas sites that appeared in my home system (since Vital and Instrumental took a bit more than one Gila to clear) and then just AFK harvest in my Prospect. Once, I came back right as a NoVac Sabre was landing on-grid, but I didn’t ever die. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/455 "2020-02-17T19:31:37Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > It already GOT explained to you by others while you’re not actually listening to what they were saying. No it hasn’t. What happened was people having different opinions on something. What you are pretending is that I don’t understand the point. So go ahead, explain which part I _don’t understand_ , rather than the part we _disagree on_. Unless, despite your attempt to be a smartass, you actually can’t tell the difference between those two concepts. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Kind of proves the point. Thanks. Never said that point was wrong 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/456 "2020-02-17T19:34:02Z")
CCP reduces the availability of Ore. Value of Ore skyrockets and everyone is willing to pay more for it. You now make more isk/hr mining the same amount of ore because demand is up. Miners get a nice bump in isk/hr. Miners think this is CCP “hating” them. confused\_psyduck.jpg ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/457 "2020-02-17T19:45:07Z")
Wow. “I killed the rats in my private WH then went akf cos it was nice and safe again” Great example. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/458 "2020-02-17T20:36:38Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > Nobody ever complained about having too much PvP in the game Cough … Balos … cough ---
**Author:** ![partyinmypants](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/partyinmypants/32/186507_2.png) [@partyinmypants](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/partyinmypants)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/459 "2020-02-17T20:56:02Z")
so with removal of all mining belt, anom, moon in HS that will bring greater balance to game and combat many orca bots. but why keep it in low and null too ? too much detract from pvp in a pvp only game [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=23)