# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/502 "2020-03-02T14:58:42Z")
The level of discourse and discussion from the eve forums makes me do that too. Thanks for adding high quality discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/503 "2020-03-02T15:05:40Z")
> [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](#): > > Personally I’d have just increased resource need of caps and supers to stem the problem of people mining, also why is it a problem? Deal with bot alliances and stop screwing with everyone else. How would this accomplish that goal? ---
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/504 "2020-03-02T15:10:07Z")
Took a single side comment out of a large post and ignored the rest. Bravo…it wouldnt accomplish anything, that was the point. ill just delete that part since it distracts from the point of my post ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/505 "2020-03-02T15:15:57Z")
Uh ok. Simple question that stood on its own but ok. ---
**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/506 "2020-03-02T15:41:41Z")
oh shut up, mining now is still far better than it was a few years ago; either htfu or just leave. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/507 "2020-03-02T17:29:56Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > That might be consuming two different aspects of the same patch, It was a nerf, since skills that resulted in a ‘perfect’ yield were no longer perfect and it forced people to refine in null to attain the maximum yield possible It is possible in highsec to get more minerals out of the same volume of ore than before. How exactly is that a nerf. In most sensible worlds we call that a buff. The other barges got pg/cpu buffs. pointing at the single barge that got a tiny nerf does not a real nerf make. Other barges got buffed for short cycles, as did covetors/hulks since they got a cycle time decrease ability also. Training a skill is not a nerf, mining drone yield got raised, buff etc. I mean, yes there have been occasional nerfs to mining, there have also been a huge list of buffs, and you trying to spin some of these as nerfs just shows you don’t understand how EVE works mechanically. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/508 "2020-03-02T19:03:20Z")
> [@Saiso\_Katelo](#): > > I don’t see the fun in ganking somebody who can’t fight back. Can’t or will not? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/509 "2020-03-02T19:08:02Z")
Rorqual onboard manufacturing, refinery and mineral compression. Clone Bay, Ship docking with Pilot hangers. real floating market Hub. Totally Invulnerable for short periods of time. What more would a Pilot want when afk mining a ice belt? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/510 "2020-03-02T19:17:53Z")
If CCP hates miners, why does the best looking ship in the game still have mining bonus? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/6/b6adbb1adb2534482c95300c1365873916d60444.png) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/511 "2020-03-02T19:27:39Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > This is a video game, not some second job. Stop conflating it with your real life. Well, for some of them, this IS their real life… ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/512 "2020-03-03T09:33:36Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > “It is a nerf as I have to do it outside of HS and use different areas of the game” Just as moon mining in HS is a nerf to LS and NS as it devalues those activities. 68. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > It’s a nerf as they now mine “too fast”? Are you for real? If it was purely speed that would be different. The problem is utilisation. A full cycle that pulls in less than a full amount is sub-optimal. Having more strip miners reduced utilisation loss overall in such situations. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > “they nerfed it by making you mine more and then gave the ships even bigger - and specialised - ore holds” A perfect hulk fills up in less than 4 minutes, with drones and implants and crystals the second cycle won’t fit, so you’re already jet canning. This displaces the bonus of a retriever ( who cares about ore holds when you’re shoving crap in cans? ) and the procurer then becomes the thing to use because the first two will just get tanked in high security space anyway. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > takes less than an hour for level one and then gives you an additional yeild bonus for having it! You get more total yield out of a %3 mining implant. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > They would be even more hilariously OP than they are. No, because Delve wouldn’t be mining more in a minute than the rest of the game does in a week with 50 man multi-boing rorqual swarms. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > It was to EVERYONE therefore… everyone? Like how the blackout applied everyone, but not equally? > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Absolutely hilarious to suggest. So is mining in high security space in a dreadnaught, but its still done. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > It just makes you a tool. You can stick your fingers in your ears as much as you want and claim people are playing the victim, the challenge was to provide a list and a list was given. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > You mean “null” there ofc. As it is “in null” they are used. In delve they are used, in null they just die. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > In the spirit of how you provided such a great link here: Unspeakable destroying his parent’s house and cat videos? > [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](#): > > This means less juicy pvp targets in null too before you pvpers cheer. Where did all the rorquals go? > [@Turgun](#): > > oh shut up, mining now is still far better than it was a few years ago; either htfu or just leave. Still doesn’t make much compared to other activities that aren’t a big con job. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > The other barges got pg/cpu buffs. pointing at the single barge that got a tiny nerf does not a real nerf make. Even a small nerf is still a nerf. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Other barges got buffed for short cycles, as did covetors/hulks since they got a cycle time decrease ability also. I would bet that any hs belt would be gone faster with a 3 strip setup than a 2 of equal total yield. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Training a skill is not a nerf, mining drone yield got raised, buff Forcing people to train mining laser upgrades to 5 for the fit to work is a nerf, even if it was only one ship that gets nerfed. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > I mean, yes there have been occasional nerfs to mining, there have also been a huge list of buffs, and you trying to spin some of these as nerfs just shows you don’t understand how EVE works mechanically. Like I said, the challenge was to provide a list, we can argue the items all day long, its still list. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/513 "2020-03-03T09:35:47Z")
All I know is my HS indy alt slaves are pulling in more than they ever have before from HS Hell, there’s not even been an attempted gank on em for months ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/514 "2020-03-03T09:38:30Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Like I said, the challenge was to provide a list, we can argue the items all day long, its still list. The point is that if half the items on your list are either incorrect or buffs, it seriously throws any claims about ‘miners just get nerfed, CCP hates miners’ into the bin. I mean, really, did anyone seriously think that in the 17 years of EVE ANY ship has never been buffed or nerfed if it’s been around a while. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/515 "2020-03-03T10:36:15Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > You get more total yield out of a %3 mining implant. Was it removed in the same patch? Because, you know, “Mining” skill gives even bigger bonus, but that is completely irrelevant. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > So is mining in high security space in a dreadnaught, but its still done. If you are talking about Sabus, he wants to mine in highsec with Rorquals. Not quite ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/516 "2020-03-03T11:01:06Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > I mean, really, did anyone seriously think that in the 17 years of EVE ANY ship has never been buffed or nerfed if it’s been around a while. Echelon. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/517 "2020-03-03T11:12:32Z")
Nerfing of Site Payouts is clearly a nerf to Echelon. Buff the Zeyphr while we are at it. ---
**Author:** ![Evie\_Kouvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evie_kouvo/32/435464_2.png) [@Evie\_Kouvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evie_Kouvo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/518 "2020-03-03T12:30:50Z")
Okay as a wormholer for life here is some tips. Scan down your holes before hand and when a new sig pops up stop what youre doing and, ready, SCAN DOWN YOUR HOLES. go at least two deep. get an understanding of what your risk is mate. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/519 "2020-03-03T12:33:49Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > A perfect hulk fills up in less than 4 minutes, I think you’ll find it is a lot less than that. You obviously have no idea what a “perfect Hulk” is AND as you then went on to say… > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > who cares about ore holds when you’re shoving crap in cans? > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > You get more total yield out of a %3 mining implant. Yes you do. Youget more than you get from Level 1 of Mining Drone Spec. Then you get less than Level 2 and then you have half of Level 3 etc etc but then, the 3% Highwall is what… 24mil? and when you get podded it’s gone but the skills never leave so… what the hell is your point there? > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > No, because Delve wouldn’t be mining more in a minute than the rest of the game does in a week with 50 man multi-boing rorqual swarms. Erm… what? Now you just seem to be saying random words while fuelling your apparent obsession with Delve. Your fantasy regarding these mythical 50-deep mobs of Rorq’s is bizarre to say the very least. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Like how the blackout applied everyone, but not equally? It was in NS. It was not “everyone” cos it was, you know, ONLY in NS. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > You can stick your fingers in your ears as much as you want Projecting much? > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > In delve they are used, in null they just die Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Oh you are fkn adorable! > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Forcing people to train mining laser upgrades to 5 for the fit to work is a nerf, even if it was only one ship that gets nerfed. “I don’t want to bother with training so I should just get everything instantly” Seriously now, just fk off. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/520 "2020-03-03T12:34:20Z")
What the hell are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Creepy\_Emaciated\_Creature](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/creepy_emaciated_creature/32/189600_2.png) [@Creepy\_Emaciated\_Creature](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Creepy_Emaciated_Creature)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/521 "2020-03-03T12:42:20Z")
> Blockquote SCAN DOWN YOUR HOLES. go at least two deep. this somehow sounds… strange… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=26)