# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Zyma\_TheZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zyma_thez/32/495589_2.png) [@Zyma\_TheZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zyma_TheZ)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/522 "2020-03-03T13:07:03Z")
Well CCP admitted that they aim to create a shortage of resources. Thus miners are being hit hard. When you think every sources of ISK being nerfed (incursions, ratting, mining, trading, there might be more that i am not aware of). We were having for some time over abundance of resources and it is the point when supers and titans are being made like cookies. While they should be “end game”, “hard to acquire” things. That is true that those changes will “ruin” some players game play. I truthfully understand OP i myself skilled for rorqual for more than 1 year and when i was able to decently fit, guess what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Creepy\_Emaciated\_Creature](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/creepy_emaciated_creature/32/189600_2.png) [@Creepy\_Emaciated\_Creature](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Creepy_Emaciated_Creature)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/523 "2020-03-03T13:08:13Z")
when you were able to finally fit it… it got nerfed? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/524 "2020-03-03T13:28:45Z")
> [@Zyma\_TheZ](#): > > Well CCP admitted that they aim to create a shortage of resources. Thus miners are being hit hard. How? The value of ore increases, you just need to move about a bit. I mean, you can still move around, cant you? We havent gone all Wall-E yet, have we? ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/525 "2020-03-03T13:33:23Z")
I just love how they basically put everything back to how things were before the Citatel expansion where they buffed the Rorqual to a point where it became the primary mining ship and giving null so much resources that they don´t have to be dependant from highsec. A lot of people seem to forget that it was not that long since there was almost no way to mine Tritanium in most of nullsec ---
**Author:** ![Zyma\_TheZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zyma_thez/32/495589_2.png) [@Zyma\_TheZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zyma_TheZ)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/526 "2020-03-03T13:40:48Z")
> [@Creepy\_Emaciated\_Creature](#): > > when you were able to finally fit it… it got nerfed? Yes that is happening to every “meta” ship eventually. Sadly no one told me that we i started to play this game. ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Woman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_woman/32/305651_2.png) [@Pretty\_Woman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Woman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/527 "2020-03-03T13:44:41Z")
What is a “meta” ship? ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/528 "2020-03-03T13:47:47Z")
A ship that gets used almost exclusevely to a point where it´s considered that any other option is not valid anymore ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Woman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_woman/32/305651_2.png) [@Pretty\_Woman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Woman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/529 "2020-03-03T13:53:04Z")
Like the Gila is used for PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/530 "2020-03-03T14:02:30Z")
Exactly, hency why it got nerfed so much ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/531 "2020-03-03T14:05:44Z")
> [@Pretty\_Woman](#): > > Like the Gila is used for PvP? Like the orthrus was used for PVP, and the VNI for ratting. And the mach with its huge range. And carriers for anything (they had a very clear role : they pwned anything subcap). Meta means that you need to prepare for this when designing a fit/compo, so it makes the “meta” thing PART OF the game, no more a mere option. (meta game is the game about the game : preparing fleet compos is metagaming, fighting is gaming ; and as many people would say, most fight result is known before the fight hence baiting, scouts, are an important metagame) ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/532 "2020-03-04T14:18:27Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > I think you’ll find it is a lot less than that. Ok, I get it, you’re a troll. Less than 4 minutes is still less than 4 minutes. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Youget more than you get from Level 1 of Mining Drone Spec. Uhuh… > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Then you get less than Level 2 and then you have half of Level 3 etc etc but then, the 3% Highwall is what… 24mil? and when you get podded it’s gone but the skills never leave so… what the hell is your point there? Never really mined much with drones have you? Over 5km yield halves, over 7 is about 1/3rd. To mine at the same range as what the strip miners can about %10 of the yield on paper. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Your fantasy regarding these mythical 50-deep mobs of Rorq’s is bizarre to say the very least. You living under a rock when those Rorquals died during the State of the Alliance speech? > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > It was in NS. It was not “everyone” cos it was, you know, ONLY in NS. It was everyone, since a bunch of that crap that ends up on the Jita market comes from 0.0 and not LS or HS. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Projecting much? You’re being deliberately argumentative and ignorant. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Oh you are fkn adorable! Still waiting on that livestream of you rorqual mining. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > “I don’t want to bother with training so I should just get everything instantly” Instantly? No. Skills need to have a value proposition, until there were T2 industrial cores, nobody trained industrial reconfiguration beyond 2-3. Mining drone specialisation might be.a bit more appealing if it increased things like speed, range as well as yield. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Seriously now, just fk off. Is that a cut and paste signature you keep using, or does it make you feel like you’re winning an argument? Answer this, if mining is so damn good, you must be doing it to pay for your account then, right? ---
**Author:** ![Oniria\_Ishtar-Inana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oniria_ishtar-inana/32/273929_2.png) [@Oniria\_Ishtar-Inana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oniria_Ishtar-Inana)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/533 "2020-03-04T14:53:57Z")
Maybe it’s a good thing rorq mining / null sec mining gets harder? But I feel your issue. Big changes to gameplay mechanics are not always fun to digest. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/534 "2020-03-04T20:55:07Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Less than 4 minutes is still less than 4 minutes. Except when it is 2 minutes. Then it is “2 minutes”. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Over 5km yield halves, over 7 is about 1 If you’re holding off of the roid that far you’re 100% pure moron. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > It was everyone, since a bunch of that crap that ends up on the Jita market c Ok, do you not understand what “NS local BO” was? It was in NS. Not Jita, not LS or HS or anywhere other than NS. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Still waiting on that livestream of you rorqu What stream? Oh yeah - one of your many fantasies. You need help. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > you must be doing it to pay for your account then, right? Yes. Between the mining and some PI I PLEX all my accounts. Not sure how that makes any difference to your stupidity but w/e… ---
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/535 "2020-03-06T14:23:28Z")
Its not, less rorques on field less targets for pvp. Also as mining force multipliers it will eventually mean more expensive ships as the volume of ore produced decreases. People will form up and fight for a rorque, a skiff or hulk? No one cares. ---
**Author:** ![Viaharo\_Musa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/viaharo_musa/32/404103_2.png) [@Viaharo\_Musa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Viaharo_Musa)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/536 "2020-04-02T16:33:22Z")
Rip gas sanctum mining, officially patched out. Ccp is really murdering miners lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/537 "2020-04-02T16:47:45Z")
Good, no one needs min/max farmers in a PvP game ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/538 "2020-04-02T17:35:31Z")
They don’t _hate_ miners. They don’t even hate _miners_. They just hate those people … … who literally _suck_ … … at playing the game … … especially _as_ miners. You suck at playing this game. Better miners are coming. You’re welcome. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-spfarm-002_lsg/32/195274_2.png) [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-spfarm-002_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/539 "2020-04-02T17:38:12Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/1/319ed6a1cb28a0d609ddc130b2c9c80572203ddb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/540 "2020-04-02T17:40:52Z")
There’s no need to be careful about it. Only the smallbrains think that when every carebear miner leaves … … that there won’t be anyone left mining. My whole corp exists solely … … because we’ve been waiting for the worthless drags of society to finally get lost. Without a doubt … … that’s finally happening. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/541 "2020-04-02T17:46:15Z")
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