# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/542 "2020-04-02T17:52:32Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Its a nerf every time you short cycle a rock. A coveter could yield 25% more than a procurer, since a short cycle rock is 1/3 lost yield, where a procurer it could be almost \>%90 of the yield. a short cycle is a short cycle to pop a rock so you can start a new one…there is no difference there, unless you are stupid. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > You could use t2 mining drones with mining drones 5. Now you have to train another skill, which is a cost that didn’t exist before. To get maximum yield from drones ( which were irrelevant on ships with 25m^3 drone bays because of need to fight rats ) it meant more skilling. Nerf. Not a nerf, just a simple game changer to differentiate between Alpha and Omega account holders, get a grip. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > It removed an element of safety. Not a Nerf, it was a buff for everyone making it easier to find the ores which were not being consumed, and besides safety is relative…combat probes. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/543 "2020-04-02T17:59:07Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Show me where in high security space you can refine to perfection? Any HS npc station that has a 50% base yield. Any player Upwell structure that has a 50% or above base yield. All you need is max skill in ore type and the +4% reprocessing implant. At 50% base yield that gives you 72.4% which with the added minerals in ores= 100% refine rate pre-mineral ore distribution change a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/544 "2020-04-04T08:47:45Z")
I am in no way good at this game, my zkill is solid proof of that, though I am also not very good at mining in this game. I read stories that Rorqual are miners end game and I want to get into a Rorqual within the next 2 years. /Pls overlook _ **Aug 15, 2019** _ as I feel that I was going through some sort of transition within my New Eden life. ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/545 "2020-04-04T08:53:32Z")
By the time you get skilled up, they’ll be totally nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/546 "2020-04-04T09:43:53Z")
I believe some of the classic frigates still have mining bonuses as well… hang on… yup, Velator has 20% role bonus to drone mining yield. I thought the Tristan did as well, but apparently not. The Vexor has a skill-based 10% buff to drone mining yield. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/547 "2020-04-04T10:28:50Z")
Vexor has 10% Drone mining yield ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/548 "2020-04-04T11:00:39Z")
Oh, another ‘‘i cant make 25 billion a month in relative safety mining in my 6 rorqs whilst extracting sp from them’’ thread… how quaint. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/549 "2020-04-04T12:18:29Z")
edit: my post was kinda rude my inner critic didn’t like it i think the mining changes are ok ---
**Author:** ![Aetatis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetatis/32/195667_2.png) [@Aetatis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetatis)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/550 "2020-04-04T12:30:24Z")
just dropping by to tell you, that i love the changes. mining as a single player without an umbrella in 0.0… my “time” (this is a meme, i know, since i dont pay as much attention to the game as other activities require) is worth more now - and will increase during the famine. compared to other activities in high-sec such as missions, incursions - which will “decrease” (in a sense), since their payout stays the same BUT everything will cost more. ccp certainly does not hate miners - maybe they dont like the way mining has been “abused” for a long time. but that is certainly not “all miners” and to all the people claiming “we won’t have enough minerals to do pvp”. imagine a time without rorquals and their excavators, industry levels in 0.0, uber-boosts to mine more than twice the amount in a barge… guess what! ships and modules were still affordable. sure, everything was toned down a notch - battleships instead of caps. but thats it! ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/551 "2020-04-04T13:20:36Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Vexor has 10% Drone mining yield I think they’ve removed that? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/552 "2020-04-04T13:53:49Z")
I saw it on the ship tree ---
**Author:** ![Commander\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_kane/32/199755_2.png) [@Commander\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commander_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/553 "2020-04-04T14:28:53Z")
Can we post all the PVP nerfs in comparison from 2014? What about all the safety buffs? ---
**Author:** ![zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-spfarm-002_lsg/32/195274_2.png) [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-spfarm-002_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/554 "2020-04-04T15:29:33Z")
> [@Commander\_Kane](#): > > Can we post all the PVP nerfs in comparison from 2014? Who cares about it, go at the end of universe and PVP each other … ( Oops. Just gave up CCP plans for PVPers 🤣 ) ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/555 "2020-04-04T18:16:11Z")
> [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](#): > > > [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](#): > > > > …OK there is no more falcon but still… > > > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/e/de13c77da9146be3aa2d637d9c8c8cfdc584e980.png) Go back to the shadows, ban-evading troll. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/556 "2020-04-04T18:43:54Z")
You know its practically impossible to provoke a fight in null these days, cant bubble outposts to catch ratters. LOW POWER citadels off every gate to be used as pings so interdictor and drag bubbles are severely reduced in usefulness, combat ceptors not bubble immune, athanors to mine off… so many citadels omg… plus other structures… 40+ anoms a ratter could be at… Roaming dullsec has become quite boring… unless you like being in the blob that is in the big local coalition… Lowsec doesnt change much i must admit though dont roam normal low for pew… highsec wars… ffs… this game used to have SO much more going on and whilst i was an advocate for some safety surrounding nubs (or special cases) the game has become vastly inferior to what it once was… i mean hell, it USED to be profitable to mine ark in a wh… in a hulk… sure you could get whelped by a bomber but thats part of the fun right? ---
**Author:** ![zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-spfarm-002_lsg/32/195274_2.png) [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-spfarm-002_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/557 "2020-04-04T19:27:30Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Go back to the shadows, ban-evading troll. Unfortunately I can’t, the faklon and his alts have already taken all the places there 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/558 "2020-04-04T21:45:16Z")
Noway, I did not just read that… PVP gets more nerfs than pve mining? PVP can use a wide selection of fits and ships where mining is locked into a small group of ships and fittings along with requiring time on an asteroid or ice berg. If a module for pvp is nerfed then the player will just refit something else and most times it is a balance. Pvp time = fun pve time = fun They are both the same yet the pve nerfs feel the rough end of the stick. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/559 "2020-04-05T09:28:06Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > PVP gets more nerfs than pve mining? PvP did get a lot of nerfs in the last years to please the farmers. Farmers were definitely favoured in the last years, not just because of mining. Also ghost skilling, which didn’t get addressed for a long time _(because it made them money, obviously)_ and tons of things you can just read up in patch notes yourself. Now that CCP squeezed enough money out of them, things are finally going back to normal. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/560 "2020-04-05T10:01:08Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I am in no way good at this game, my zkill is solid proof of that, though I am also not very good at mining in this game. > > I read stories that Rorqual are miners end game and I want to get into a Rorqual within the next 2 years. I can give you solid advice on this one: Don’t. You’ll regret it. Stay small(-ish) and agile instead. Rorquals were useful to milk farmers of their money. Now there’s plenty of people who can fly Rorquals, but CCP isn’t interested in farmers anymore. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > /Pls overlook _ **Aug 15, 2019** _ as I feel that I was going through some sort of transition within my New Eden life. \*_checks August 15th\*_ Ah. Hahahahahaha. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/famine_aligher_ri/32/393186_2.png) [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Famine_Aligher_ri)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/561 "2020-04-05T14:58:25Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > PvP did get a lot of nerfs in the last years to please the farmers. I mean seriously, look at this gif. All miners seriously need to stop complaining. You had complete freaking safety, even in NULL-sec space. This is completely and utterly freaking ridiculous that CCP allowed this to even happen. ![Impass_AFJ-MB_Mining_Intel](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/9/19123ffc290a0fb81a3d708ba611aa554d24b4db.gif) If you don’t understand the point of the gif, then here it is. You can mine beside a structure that provides not only protection, but immunity to the ship once you warp to it. Utterly dumb this was allowed. I’m happy for these changes. Makes it balanced again. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=28)