# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/44 "2020-02-11T16:15:57Z")
and that’s the point. now I need to move, cause its hard to do what I love doing, so moving is the solution. If that is the solution, then there has to be something wrong? My TZ is a strange one. Where there are fewer in my alliance but many more Chinese and Russians - who are the best PVP wormholers in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/45 "2020-02-11T16:16:57Z")
Why? Thats how you adapt. See any change as an opportunity, not a threat. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/46 "2020-02-11T16:21:57Z")
> [@partyinmypants](#): > > the incoming 65% reduction in EHP for exhumers should also be a fun nerf Huh? 5 characters ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/47 "2020-02-11T16:25:20Z")
I quite understand you venting, many of us who have played this game for a long time have had what we liked doing removed in some way. My friend Herzog used to do WH exploration sites and had a lot of fun doing cat and mouse ninja type nab the loot until people did not like that others had taken the loot without killing the rats and complained so hard that CCP made it so you had to kill the rats before the loot dropped. In one go his fun was removed. I used to like belt ratting in Stain, I liked gun mining, I would kill rats, salvage and loot, reprocess and I had great fun avoiding people trying to blow me up. It was not great ISK but it was doing something hard and fun and every so often bingo got a True Sansha and even officer spawns. But people complained about people not mining for minerals so they can be easily blown up by gankers, next thing we know 50% refining, It became unsustainable. My fun ended. Sometimes you have to step back and let it go and find something else, but Herzog never got his fun back and while I did find other things that were fun to a degree, neither did I. I often feel like I am running on memories of what I had fun with, destroyed by min/maxes and people who demand people feed to them on a plate. I understand your need to vent. ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/48 "2020-02-11T16:27:14Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I understand your need to vent. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![marVLs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvls/32/478691_2.png) [@marVLs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/marVLs)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/49 "2020-02-11T16:31:12Z")
Great change, but it needs to go even further. Some will cry but thier opinion is not important because before that rq madness the whole game and economy was better so why bother opinion of someone who don’t care about health of game? And only because it allows them to be ultra rich without actual risk or even paying attention. Next step of curing the game = focus on botters ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/50 "2020-02-11T16:33:35Z")
I don’t have enough firepower to take out a bot mining fleet, but I do enjoy punting them out of the ice belts at a high rate of speed in a Mach… ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/51 "2020-02-11T16:35:34Z")
Wormholes used to be sanctuaries for those with the resolve to make it so. Yeah there were the daily connections and roamers coming in, but you could handle them. There was the **Wormhole life** and it commanded respect. Then the first round of over-connectivity ruined them as a home for all but very large C5/C6 wh corps. This is just stupid. Now WHs are just backroom fight clubs. Nobody is going to live in anything except for the said large C5/C6 corps. ‘play your way’. ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/52 "2020-02-11T16:46:41Z")
Thats what I am trying to figure. Cause I dont know my way anymore. ☹ I used to play for fun, now I am not sure my fun is there anymore. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/53 "2020-02-11T17:00:52Z")
Awwww… Had to hide the mean posts so they didn’t hurt your feels ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/54 "2020-02-11T17:04:18Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > woohoo we killed the 6bil rorq a guy worked 1 year to get. I made back the cost of my first rorq in 2 days. Then i made like 5 supercarriers. > [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > What’s the point to mine now? It is too risky for the mid / big stuff and the small stuff cant make you enough money to plex. Your life shouldnt revolve around making ISK for Plex. it should revolve around having fun. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/55 "2020-02-11T17:08:09Z")
Just in case you don’t notice it in the other thread, get a load of this 😃 [https://www.eveonline.com/article/q5jp49/moon-mineral-distribution?origin=launcher&utm\_medium=app&utm\_source=launcher](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q5jp49/moon-mineral-distribution?origin=launcher&utm_medium=app&utm_source=launcher) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/56 "2020-02-11T17:08:43Z")
^^^^ This. If you have to play EVE enough to earn ISK to PLEX your sub, then EVE is no longer a game. It’s a job… ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/57 "2020-02-11T17:10:03Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I made back the cost of my first rorq in 2 days. > [@The newly nerfed ore anomalies](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-newly-nerfed-ore-anomalies/218896/48): > > I have 6. Now you know. And GDP of USA is about 20 T. What’s the connection? So I would have the costs out again in a second if I had enough accounts, or what? Sense? PS: My standard fitting costs about 8B. I earn about 500-600m per evening. So it costs me a little more than ten days. Yeah, it’s still not bad. But not really the best way to make isk. ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/58 "2020-02-11T17:13:43Z")
> **[Moon Mineral Distribution | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q5jp49/moon-mineral-distribution)** > > Upcoming changes to the mineral distribution. You were all saying?.. ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/59 "2020-02-11T17:15:07Z")
When did you get your first rorq? 2019? ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/60 "2020-02-11T17:15:11Z")
So what? Even though I already linked it these 2 threads I still don’t care. Learn to adapt or go play something else. Simple rly… ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/61 "2020-02-11T17:17:37Z")
“No stone will be left unturned in the mission towards a better future.” And all the stones have disappeared… 😆😆😆😆 ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/62 "2020-02-11T17:18:52Z")
hahahahah! \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/63 "2020-02-11T17:22:42Z")
> [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > And GDP of USA is about 20 T. What’s the connection? The connection is that they arent connected, because they are responding to two different paragraphs. > [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > So I would have the costs out again in a second if I had enough accounts, or what? No, if youre smart and know what to mine and what to build, you can make a lot of ISK. > [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > PS: My standard fitting costs about 8B. I earn about 500-600m per evening. So it costs me a little more than ten days. Yeah, it’s still not bad. But not really the best way to make isk. My fittings and drones cost around 7-8 billion too, but that was back when excavators cost 1 billion each. Now they are half that, so its easier. Far easier. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=4)