# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/675 "2020-08-01T01:08:31Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > There’s nothing else to do while sitting at a gate for twelve hours a day. Jerking each other off in the forum is what keeps them sane. i play solo and never camped a gate in my life stop talking shi% ty ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/676 "2020-08-01T01:10:02Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i play solo and never camped a gate in my life Your mother must be so proud. Here’s the thing. You are making this all about you. It isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/677 "2020-08-01T01:14:35Z")
yeah but there is one problem mate i died 1000 times i got ganked 100x more times than mr snowflake there its not about me , its about the game some idiots don’t know ■■■■ about it but LOOOVE to talk like they do and about you well ![Captura de Tela 2020-07-31 às 22.14.09](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/f/5f653f971649561f00d46a5c6e7f346e6a4271e3.png) ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/678 "2020-08-01T01:19:49Z")
Could you please repeat that in English? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/679 "2020-08-01T01:22:38Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Most of them buy PLEX to sell for ISK to buy these gank ships that miraculously appear on the market. You’re gonna have to pour some sauce on that juicy comment. The best industrialists I’ve ever met were PvP players _primarily_. And I’ve personally operated invention lines back when it was reasonably profitable to do so. The ones who complain about PvP are almost exclusively those who engage in low-end production, e.g. “seeding the market with T1 ammo” (lmao). The ones who engage in advanced industry, without the whole thing breaking apart in their hands, have enough understanding of the game to know that more risk and destruction means more profits for them, since they don’t get affected by it anyway because they know how to protect their stuff. I’ve met like a total of _two_ people who were into advanced PvE, and still argued against PvP based on reasons that were solely moral in nature (one was a religious “thou shalt not kill” guy). Sorry pal, but the reality of the matter is that good industrialists don’t go around the forums shedding buckets of their tears. > [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > (Oh, by the way, I have pvp-ed. [“…understand pvp…”, what a riot.] I put in 7 years in an ACTUAL pvp game - BF2 in the Cyber Atthletic League [CAL] and Team Warfare League [TWL], ladies.) Dope-ass YOLO swag 360 no-scope killa 420 everyday [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9NImmFro9I) ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/680 "2020-08-01T01:41:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sorry pal, but the reality of the matter is that good industrialists don’t go around the forums shedding buckets of their tears. Citation needed. Or at least a link to this crying you speak of. In any case, here’s how I look at it. Builders and traders are like the farmers and market owners in wherever it is you live. They know where meat comes from and how to grow it and sell it. Most of the people buying it have no idea how it ends up on the shelf or what people had to do to get it there. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The ones who engage in advanced industry, without the whole thing breaking apart in their hands, have enough understanding of the game to know that more risk and destruction means more profits for them, since they don’t get affected by it anyway because they know how to protect their stuff. At least we’re on the same page there. It’s nice to see you agreeing with what I said in the post you quote mined for your little straw man attack. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/681 "2020-08-01T01:59:35Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > In any case, here’s how I look at it. Builders and traders are like the farmers and market owners in wherever it is you live. > > They know where meat comes from and how to grow it and sell it. Most of the people buying it have no idea how it ends up on the shelf or what people had to do to get it there. The difference being that in real life, the “producers” you speak about are a minority, while in EVE, the minority are PvPers. _Most_ players are complete non-combatants. Many years ago, CCP’s own poll put the figure of players who have no interest in PvP at roughly 75%. Today, about 25% of the game’s population lives in null-sec and wormholes, and most of those players can be said to be “interested” in PvP in some way. We can set this group aside for now. The amount of players spread across low-sec and high-sec who are mercs, pirates, gankers, et cetera (let’s just call them “belligerent undesirables” for simplicity) number only a few hundred, maybe on the low-end of four figures _total_. That is a tiny minority. That means everyone else who’s left is a builder or trader of some sort. But the opinion that nonconsensual PvP is somehow detrimental is nowhere near universal. Industrialists who manage their businesses _well_ understand that it’s _critical_ for a healthy market, since null-sec alone isn’t enough to power demand for goods produced by over three-quarters of the player base, especially since null-sec has its own industry too. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > The ones who engage in advanced industry, without the whole thing breaking apart in their hands, have enough understanding of the game to know that more risk and destruction means more profits for them, since they don’t get affected by it anyway because they know how to protect their stuff. > > At least we’re on the same page there. It’s nice to see you agreeing with what I said in the post you quote mined for your little straw man attack. Man, you are just _chomping at the bit_ to get at me somehow, even if what I say is agreeable with you. I’m flattered that you want to chase me around to nip at my heels like a cute Corgi puppy with these little veiled jabs and fallacious sensationalism, but I do think your obsession is unhealthy. My offer of a fruit basket to bury the hatchet between us stands. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/682 "2020-08-01T03:02:46Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > _Most_ players are complete non-combatants. Many years ago, CCP’s own poll put the figure of players who have no interest in PvP at roughly 75% I believe that wasn’t a poll but a snapshot of what people in am average play session. Meaning a much larger group will do PvP periodically but not in a given play session that CCP looked at. ---
**Author:** ![Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ishmael_ronuken/32/209150_2.png) [@Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ishmael_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/683 "2020-08-01T03:34:12Z")
I wonder if I give random likes to people I can fan the flames more… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/684 "2020-08-01T04:02:09Z")
Please donate mine to Berenstain Bear up there. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/685 "2020-08-01T04:23:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Dope-ass YOLO swag 360 no-scope killa 420 everyday 👍 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/1/018d7e942a862c3ae112942c554275a5e74f2614.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/XzWlzWM) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/a/eaa88fce551bf26da86117b3d6febd26ce565f8a.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/dotZiex) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/686 "2020-08-01T04:48:44Z")
To me, it was funny because he thinks that playing Battlefield is some kind of achievement, as if no one else here has played FPS games before. Like, welcome to conventional gaming town, pal, population: you and 600 million other people. One would imagine that having shot at another player in EVE is a much more exclusive club. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/687 "2020-08-01T05:54:53Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > It’s pretty obvious that PVP players don’t have a clue how industry works either. Most of them buy PLEX to sell for ISK to buy these gank ships that miraculously appear on the market. > > Traders and builders are the only people that have a clue how industry works. Because if they don’t, they are soon broke and running missions for bounties. You seem to think that there isn’t much of an overlap between PVP people and industry people. I’m in a corp with a long history of being PVP first above all else. Founding corp of Pandemic Legion, long tradition of independent nomadic PVP in Low-Sec, Null, and wormholes, currently one of the more aggressive parts of Pandemic Horde. We wouldn’t be able to do the whole nomadic thing if not for the several of us who have multiple jump freighters each, and even more of us do at least some amount of industry because almost none of us want to spend much time mining and ratting. I’d expect a much larger overlap between PVP-focused people and people who do a lot of industry than between people whose primary activity is ratting and people who do a lot of industry. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/688 "2020-08-01T06:47:50Z")
You’re not wrong, I know of at least 2 people in CODE. that are in the business of building barges and haulers; a gank ship is simply a marketing expense. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/689 "2020-08-01T07:11:08Z")
> [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > CCP has changed the game to favor a minority of players. They lost a large percentage of their paying customers as a result, Bollocks. And because this was the first sentence of your diatribe I haven’t read the rest of it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/690 "2020-08-01T07:14:14Z")
Shh, don’t agitate the reality he’s created for himself, that inner universe in which the honorable carebear intelligentsia maintains the last stoic bulwark of morality, decency, and academic aptitude against the perpetually-teenaged (yet at the same time _reprehensibly_ parents’ house-dwelling and chaste) PvP-crazed griefers, who are forever doomed to swing their clubs at anything in their vicinity as if they’re stuck in the EVE version of the fifth circle of hell, while grunts and frothy spittle escape their snarling maws tragically incapable of any polysyllabic common tongues of man. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/691 "2020-08-01T07:14:37Z")
> [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > I put in 7 years in an ACTUAL pvp game - BF2 in the Cyber Atthletic League [CAL] and Team Warfare League [TWL], ladies.) Brilliant. The “I played another game so I know how to play ours” fallacy. You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/692 "2020-08-01T07:16:29Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > They know where meat comes from and how to grow it and sell it. Most of the people buying it have no idea how it ends up on the shelf Dude! Everybody knows meat is made in a factory! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/693 "2020-08-01T07:17:16Z")
I won the golden ticket, but really wish I hadn’t. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3a4ffdadcafa977adea7f3d80946d84b8bb408f5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/694 "2020-08-01T07:18:03Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3a4ffdadcafa977adea7f3d80946d84b8bb408f5.jpeg) I love the movie/book so much. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=32)