# CCP hates miners = confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941 "2020-02-11T15:04:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![PavlikX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pavlikx/32/264009_2.png) [@PavlikX](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PavlikX)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/84 "2020-02-11T18:33:21Z")
You know, blakout was better. After it was finished, we hoped that CCP cured. We was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/85 "2020-02-11T18:33:56Z")
It should never have “finished” ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/86 "2020-02-11T18:42:21Z")
> [@Jordon\_Spikes](#): > > guess this will promote some corps to be like CODE Clever and inventive? Exploring game mechanics and helping to wake the other players from their sullen, greedy torpor? Having fun and always winning? ---
**Author:** ![Gareth\_Mythros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gareth_mythros/32/264433_2.png) [@Gareth\_Mythros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gareth_Mythros)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/87 "2020-02-11T18:43:55Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Clever and inventive? Catalysts are clever and inventive? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/88 "2020-02-11T18:44:41Z")
Zing! ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/89 "2020-02-11T18:58:31Z")
Oh so before most of the nerfs. Today I would like to see you make 6 bil in 2 days with a rorq. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/90 "2020-02-11T18:59:21Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > Today I would like to see you make 6 bil in 2 days You should have never been able to make this much from mining in the first place for putting in the equivalent of not playing the game anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kaho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kaho/32/460342_2.png) [@Lord\_Kaho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kaho)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/91 "2020-02-11T18:59:38Z")
“CCP: You want to do Mining? Why? To Build Ships? Just Buy a Ship now in the NES! Titans 1.000$, Battleships 100$, Frigs 20$ - no need to waste your time now with Mining!” ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/92 "2020-02-11T19:00:49Z")
> [@Olivia\_Kusoni](#): > > Don’t kid yourself. Everyone hates miners…even miners. This is the most accurate sentence I have ever seen! ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/93 "2020-02-11T19:03:58Z")
Players already do that with PLEX anyway. Same thing… ---
**Author:** ![Vala\_Yotosala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vala_yotosala/32/398114_2.png) [@Vala\_Yotosala](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vala_Yotosala)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/94 "2020-02-11T19:09:40Z")
just as with the Blackout BS I, and I think many other casual Players, will vote against that nerf … how? Well I use RL Money not plex. So denying them Money will make them just roll back the changes or make them less stupid. Just vote with your credit card and stopp Omega account as Long as stupidity rules ccp. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/95 "2020-02-11T19:09:42Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > Thats all I have been doing, but even orcas are in danger - a small gang of 5 can get to you very quickly when entering a space (also via wh so intel is meaningless) - sometimes longer than what it would take an orca to get to safety - even if aligned. 1. _If_ you are actually part of a fleet, everybody scans and tells everyone else if a new wormhole appears in system. Or you guys have a lookout with the one job of scanning and D-scanning. Intel channels not depended on. 2. An Orca will warp in about 10 seconds with a MWD that is pulsed. 3. Make 3-D safespots in systems you frequent. Make at least one hasty safespot in a new system if you’re going to be there more than a few minutes. A cloaking device on the orca and you can hide in a safe for awhile if need be. 4. I’m afraid you have violated two basic rules of EvE: - Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose (very much including emotionally…in fact primarily so) and - Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose (very much including emotionally…in fact primarily so) Now, I realize that is only technically _one_ violation, but it was such a big one I thought I’d mention it twice. Really I’d like to see rorqual mining removed from the game entirely. Keep them as support ships - maybe even buff them in that role - but nerf their ability to mine to the ground. Boosh 'em all, let bob sort 'em out. If you like mining…so be it…folks should play as they wish in a sandbox (it is a world based on various forms of pvp, though)…but at least you must learn this song to sing on comms: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/8/7/9873a6a6bb07525060e099cacf2c7992825a738b.jpeg "WIND ROSE - Diggy Diggy Hole (Official Video) | Napalm Records") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU) ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/96 "2020-02-11T19:10:41Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > No, according to him, it wont affect the mineral prices at all, because moon mining. If you dont understand how this works, then you just dont understand how moon mining works. If “him” you are referring to me, then I need to just mention that I own a moon. I know that pricing goes up and down. They are removing all normal ore from moons. So we will see how much Zeolites are gonna be worth, as my spod and gneiss moon will be no more. So I think something not talked about, is not being able to compress moon ore - this is gonna have a HUGE impact on the economy: I think that small thing is being overlooked and will have a larger impact than what you know. Ship pricing is gonna explode - just look at what happend with the “small” anom change a couple of months ago. Not being able to get high quantities of ore transported from null to hs, its gonna be interesting how Jita will burn ---
**Author:** ![PiPPeN\_Doos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pippen_doos/32/183957_2.png) [@PiPPeN\_Doos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PiPPeN_Doos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/97 "2020-02-11T19:12:24Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > ms of pvp, though)…but at least you must learn this song to sing on comms: The most helpful post in the thread - thanks for being constructive and not as demonising as others. ---
**Author:** ![Amantus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amantus/32/180869_2.png) [@Amantus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amantus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/98 "2020-02-11T19:13:47Z")
maybe it’s time for you to quit the game ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/99 "2020-02-11T19:17:47Z")
Say Ive two Procurers and can use one at a time. I either bought or built them for say around 15m value. Individually, one wont mine out its site within my playtime. So if the mineral prices go up due to reduced supply, my revenue increases as I have no overhead cost in the activity bar maybe crystals. If I lose one to carelessness, my cost is to replace my spare one, which I then use to mine the materials to build one. Again, overhead cost negligable. Now, Im not saying minerals are free, I could just do something else. But Im being a miner in this example, and I do it for “relaxing” we shall say. So the net effect is that I get more revenue for my ore. Is this the case? ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/100 "2020-02-11T19:17:53Z")
> [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > Today I would like to see you make 6 bil in 2 days with a rorq. Why bother? With a Porp and a handful of barges you can do that anyway. Seriously, if you have alts and the set-up right, it honestly isn’t hard. > [@PiPPeN\_Doos](#): > > I own a moon Wow! 1 whole moon!!! Why didn’t you say so - that makes ALL the difference! Except ofc that I have 4 I don’t even bother with atm. I own a moon… jfc… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/101 "2020-02-11T19:19:32Z")
I don’t own any moons. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/102 "2020-02-11T19:19:50Z")
> [@PavlikX](#): > > Worst patch ever. > > I agree about nerf, but not like this! > I agree that rorq with excavs is OP, but you decided to kill mining enteirly! > Prepare to lose subscribers. Classical hypocrit behaviour of anybody abusing something that get patched in a video game. “Yes yes of course I know it was broken I agree it needed to be nerfed, but It Is ToO mUcH”. We all know you did not want it nerfed, please spare us the part where you pretend that you agree about nerfing it just to make yourself look better. ---
**Author:** ![Kalahed\_Nmbasi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalahed_nmbasi/32/154284_2.png) [@Kalahed\_Nmbasi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalahed_Nmbasi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941/103 "2020-02-11T19:21:41Z")
If you mine in a barge, in a small group (not under umbrella). You just received the biggest buff in your history. But ye, I guess you stopped looking at the edge of your fence. Finally, a change that hits the big blocks, while basically ignoring the small guys. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hates-miners-confirmed/218941.md?page=6)