# CCP Hilmar, CCP Falcon, and CCP Goodfella reveal their plans for an Eve Era of CHAOS in this new interview! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 26, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261 "2019-07-26T18:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/386 "2019-08-03T10:01:56Z")
This debacle is only going to speed up the shutting down of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/387 "2019-08-03T10:09:49Z")
YaY!!! Good to see the classics reborn. EvE is Dead again. This time because Null got a minor balancing. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/388 "2019-08-03T10:14:14Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > So again null is the second most dangerous and has less rewards than null Null has less rewards than null? Nullception. ![giphy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/0/b010a8b5649b11c2a46c5a7e114ab36058ccc8ad.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/389 "2019-08-03T10:17:24Z")
Oh No I miss typed something on a forum Its the end of the world. Next time try sending the reply to someone who cares. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/390 "2019-08-03T10:21:55Z")
I’m just joking. Please relax. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/391 "2019-08-03T10:25:12Z")
I am both surprised and amazed that anyone in this cesspool of whining has a sense of humor. Good for you and here was me thinking EvE had transformed into a group of dummy spitting babies. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/392 "2019-08-03T10:48:39Z")
> [@Clrdark4se](#): > > Any CEO of any company who wishes for loss of revenue, customers, for ANY reason, is a JOKE! Point out the difference between X k subscripers, and X k -10% subscribers, if the 10% were plexing BOTs anyway, or risk averse capitalistic SOV renters, who never seeded PLEX in this game. At least there is no direct relation between subscribers and real money … Even if subscribers gonna drop, the suppy of PLEX won’t break, the economy of CCP won’t break ,and the economy of Eve will be healthier. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/393 "2019-08-03T11:01:52Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > He wants to go back to the original idea for the game: more pvp oriented “bash eachother’s heads in with space lazers”. Not for weaklings. > > He wants quality of players over quantity, that’s going to cost subs and he’s fine with that. Yes, well, players want quality of game design and programming, not quantity of simple changes and broken code pushed out the door because after 16 years of trying they still can’t get their own game right _or_ bother with QA testing before they publish. Put some quality **in** the game and the players will follow. If you want ‘PvP oriented bash each others heads in’ then it must make sense to do so in the game. People simply **will not** spend time and ISK fitting out ships, flying them around to find a fight, engage in combat and lose that ship (which is what 80% of them will do) - _unless there is a valid reason and it is economically sensible to do so._ And before some PvPtard tosses in “your reason is when you undock in EVE you consent to PvP”… that’s not a reason. That’s a consequence. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/394 "2019-08-03T11:05:35Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > People simply **will not** spend time and ISK fitting out ships, flying them around to find a fight, engage in combat and lose that ship (which is what 80% of them will do) - _unless there is a valid reason and it is economically sensible to do so._ Do you mean ingame economically? ---
**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/395 "2019-08-03T11:08:49Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > If you want ‘PvP oriented bash each others heads in’ then it must make sense to do so in the game. People simply **will not** spend time and ISK fitting out ships, flying them around to find a fight, engage in combat and lose that ship (which is what 80% of them will do) - _unless there is a valid reason and it is economically sensible to do so._ Errm, no. Just take a look at my zkill. Mostly with only a small gang of ~ 5 people fighting and ~ 10% losing. The sense ist fun, and of course earning money with pvp. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Punctator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/punctator/32/357072_2.png) [@Punctator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Punctator)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/396 "2019-08-03T11:33:58Z")
yeh men… hilmar and “his” eve - all in this subject. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/397 "2019-08-03T11:36:57Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > People simply **will not** spend time and ISK fitting out ships, flying them around to find a fight, engage in combat and lose that ship (which is what 80% of them will do) - _unless there is a valid reason and it is economically sensible to do so._ This is such a valid point. I wish the Bounty system paid out equally to everyone, and effectively turned pvpers into “rats” in terms of isk income. maybe make it gain value each time they have kills and are not killed (consecutive kills raise their bounty). Bounty is good in nature, but bad when applied in the hands of players. Imo concord should handle this. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/398 "2019-08-03T11:44:28Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > People simply **will not** spend time and ISK fitting out ships, flying them around to find a fight, engage in combat and lose that ship People do, and it’s _those_ people we need to retain and nurture. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/399 "2019-08-03T13:04:58Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > People do, and it’s _those_ people we need to retain and nurture. Look, it’s unfortunate that people like you and @Tradulix don’t understand how numbers and averages work. Just as a tip, saying “but I found a counterexample to your point, so yeah it’s completely invalid” just shows that you have no concept of the entire game as an environment. For the cognitively challenged, here’s how it works: A PvP game doesn’t do well when less than 20% of it’s players find PvP to be workable. The fact that some people engage in PvP even though they mostly lose is not representative of the majority of the gaming population in general. It’s not even representative of the players of _EVE_. EVE isn’t ‘retaining and nurturing’ the players who are willing to risk and lose ships, it is _driving them away_. In large numbers. How you guys can totally miss the player population charts, where _even going fake-F2P_ barely stopped the numbers bleeding; when 20% of those who remain are likely bots or AFKs, is beyond me. In EVE, currently, a small percentage of well-equipped, relatively high SP, longer term players do objectively ‘well’ in PvP. For everyone else, PvP represents a _loss of ISK_ that they must make up by PvE play. (Please note, again, for the recursively stupid: finding a counterexample does not invalidate the observation.) As an example, lets say you PvP in a ship like this: > **[Imperial Navy Slicer | Tosh Horus | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78190320/)** > > Tosh Horus (Wicked Privateers) lost their Imperial Navy Slicer in Huola (The Bleak Lands) Total Value: 24,721,124.23 ISK If you lose, you can prob make your ISK back in an hour or so of PVE grinding. But not everyone PvPs in cheap frigate builds. If your PvP ship looked something like this: > **[Machariel | G0AT VEN0M | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78190292/)** > > G0AT VEN0M (Syndicate Enterprise) lost their Machariel in U-QVWD (Catch). Final Blow by GalacticViceroy (HAMMER of TITAN) flying in a Stratios. Total Value: 845,053,579.10 ISK You could easily be in for the better part of a day of PvE grinding to repay it. For a small percentage of successful PvPers, they might repay their losses from their PvP gains. For most players, they will have to PvP for a short time, then spend a longer time PvE grinding to recoup their losses. Since the PvP, for most people, is not sustainable by itself, and since the PvE grind is boring and repetitive, it leads to bot/AFK/multibox-grind playstyles in order to support the most PvP uptime they can manage. Also, since for most people, the PvP is not inherently economical, it leads to a ‘PvP game’ where more than 80% of all activity is PvE. It leads to a situation where the ‘successful’ PvPers are those who avoid all fights that aren’t a fairly sure win for them. It leads to other players who routinely avoid PvP at all times, or only engage on very rare occasions. These are all ways that demonstrate that the current ‘PvP design’ of EVE is unsustainable, and actually leads directly to botting/AFK play, PvP avoidance, and the discouragement of new players from PvP. If you want PvP, you have to design your game to **encourage** it, not just spout management rhetoric and toss out the occasional counter-example. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/400 "2019-08-03T13:14:24Z")
No, it only leads to botting for the wrong type of players, the ones whom all the null sec alliances have been relying on and have been nurturing, all of them. There are TONS of people who do things because they WANT to or because it’s a challenge, not because it makes money. ---
**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/401 "2019-08-03T14:46:34Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > … bla bla bla … Start doing PvP in cheaper ships. Every gang/fleet needs a first fast initial tackle (Hunter), a Scout, or a field tackle (Interdictor). Get familar with manual piloting, behavior on a grid, what are important information, tactics, how to move for best damage application, etc I don’t see any problems, but your complaining. We have more small gangs coming around now. So what … ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/402 "2019-08-03T15:09:39Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > And what about companies who are purchased for their ability to make a loss for tax purposes or a company that might need to make a loss due to the holding of primary assets still written at book value and not wanting excess tax in relation to those assets or how about a company that is hoping to survive another 20 years on a smaller amount of revenue per year instead of a higher revenue over a smaller number of years or > > How about the fact a CEO may be attempting to make a game more popular to more people or just bring back old players after over a decade of stuff ups created to pampering to one part of the player base. Interpunction ■■■■■■■■■■■■! Use it. ---
**Author:** ![usag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/usag/32/176794_2.png) [@usag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/usag)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/403 "2019-08-03T19:29:47Z")
still not making friends I see ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/404 "2019-08-03T20:43:42Z")
I will get right on that, as soon as what I right on this forum becomes as important as a thesis or a journal article. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/405 "2019-08-03T20:44:45Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > it’s _those_ people we need to retain and nurture. Actually thats CCPs job My job is to make them entertain me [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261.md?page=21)