# CCP Hilmar, CCP Falcon, and CCP Goodfella reveal their plans for an Eve Era of CHAOS in this new interview! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 26, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261 "2019-07-26T18:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/680 "2019-08-20T13:44:00Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > CCP office My favourite dev. Hes always there for everyone, supports the staff via floors, and has an electric personality. Not like that CCP Oven. That guy is full of hot air. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/681 "2019-08-20T13:46:04Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > CCPs financial statements have been published in the past. Players have re-posted them and analyzed them. Your guesstimates aren’t even in the ballpark, and the fact that you guess a number that is off by 500%, and state it as a fact, shows how little actual thought and research you put into your comments. Prove these claims, or shut up. You cant come in here making vague comments like this, and prove this the case. Also statistical data can be misinterpreted, and not only can, often is. Further more, hellmar Intentionally fabricates metrics to keep the company looking good, probably to keep his job. Example of this, a few months ago we had a steam sale that enables people to start with bonus SP. This resulted in 92% of the population online during specific hours to be ALTS. I Told the people in my corp explicitly “Watch this carefully and remember this point, in a few months he will claim that eve’s population can grow extremely fast, or has extremely high activity for new accounts”. a few months later, here we are with hellmar claiming eve gains 16,000 new accounts a week “Testing the game”, undoubtedly using those extract metrics in that specific time frame. Another great example of the metrics ccp’s senior staff pedles “dying makes people play the game more”. He the spouts some stupidity that makes it seem like they play more, and while it is true, it is not always true. This is an extremely important point, that these metrics show if someone dies they will play to recoupe what they lost, however, if they die repeatedly they uninstall. This form of metric manipulation has gone unchecked for a long while. It’s very present in many things that ccp spouts, and its CLEAR AS DAY a lie to anyone that has actually worked in this industry for any significant amount of time (lets say 5+ years). So unless you have direct numbers you can post and demonstrate i am wrong with, with exacting evidence to prove your angle on those metrics are true, be quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/682 "2019-08-20T13:47:28Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Prove these claims, or shut up. You cant come in here making vague comments like this, and prove this the case. Oh the beautiful irony… ![so_good](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/0/0073c357be208ea60207033217f459db2cdfeea0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/683 "2019-08-20T13:47:51Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > I wonder why Naari hasn’t been hired as an industry leader yet. Clearly, they possess more knowledge than anyone else in the field. How do you know i have not? You don’t even know who i am. By the way, I have been a senior or lead for the last 13 years. I was promoted to a senior position just under 2 years into my first development position. There i have been for almost two decades, btw, I am now the ceo of my own studio working on an mmo. Btw, As we are talking often here on the forums i am working on that project. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/684 "2019-08-20T13:48:26Z")
What a beautiful picture. Is he meditating? I feel like he needs the caption “it puts the lotion on its skin” ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/685 "2019-08-20T13:49:12Z")
I only praised you and expressed my opinion, that you should have authority of the whole industry. Clearly everyone else are confused and only you know the real truth. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/686 "2019-08-20T13:49:27Z")
Now, you, you cant come up and claim something like this without proof to back it up. Link to that supposed MMO? ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/687 "2019-08-20T13:49:59Z")
Oh, I’ve used up a lot of lotion on this thread. You don’t want to know what I’ve been doing behind the screen 🤭. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/688 "2019-08-20T13:50:01Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > Now, you, you cant come up and claim something like this without proof to back it up. Link to that supposed MMO? Pass, I’d like to keep goon scum away from it. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/689 "2019-08-20T13:50:47Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > You don’t want to know what I’ve been doing behind the screen Naughty boy. Becareful, Bald will come here quickly if this gets NSFW ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/690 "2019-08-20T13:51:33Z")
Is usage of huge amounts of lotion prohibited? Didn’t know that was against the forum rules. I will immediately switch to vegetable oils… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/691 "2019-08-20T13:53:10Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Bald will come here Lol I knew it made your palms hairy, but baldness too? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/692 "2019-08-20T13:57:05Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > I will immediately switch to vegetable oils… Olive oil is better for the skin and has a higher burn point, much better option. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/693 "2019-08-20T14:00:25Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Expanding upon this, many gamers are aware of Eve and love to read about it and the shenanigans it allows, but not partake of it; ergo there is potentially a huge untapped market for products based on the IP of Eve without those products having to share its cutthroat nature. Actually there is not. Their lack of desire to “partake in it” is a validation that crowd will never come here. Its sorta like reading reddit or FML for laughs, that does not mean they will ever post theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/694 "2019-08-20T14:16:17Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Prove these claims, or shut up. You cant come in here making vague comments like this, and prove this the case. > > Also statistical data can be misinterpreted, and not only can, often is. > Further more, hellmar Intentionally fabricates metrics to keep the company looking good, probably to keep his job. You are such a flaming idiot it appears you are doing it for satire or something. Financial statements are not “statistical data”. Corporate profit reports are not “fabricated metrics”. Google “CCP financial reports” and follow any of the dozen links to them to prove to yourself you’re a moron who hasn’t the slightest clue what he is actually talking about, but loves to pull out completely unprovable numbers like “92% of players are alts during certain hours” to pretend he has a clue. Everything you say is colored by the fact that you scam new players, lie, make up BS numbers, and the only thing you have to back it up is flapping your arms around and yelling “BUT I AM A DEVELOPER! I HAVE SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE TO EVERYONE!”. Seriously dude, there might be a good idea buried among all the BS you are shoveling here. Even if there was, however, it would have zero credibility because you destroy more of yours with every post you make. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/695 "2019-08-20T14:24:29Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Financial statements are not “statistical data”. Corporate profit reports are not “fabricated metrics”. Google “CCP financial reports” and follow any of the dozen links to them to prove to yourself you’re a moron who hasn’t the slightest clue what he is actually talking about, but loves to pull out completely unprovable numbers like “92% of players are alts during certain hours” to pretend he has a clue. Those numbers have nothing to do with validating your claims that ccp’s right that abusing new players is good for eve. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Everything you say is colored by the fact that you scam new players Prove it > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > lie, make up BS numbers, and the only thing you have to back it up is flapping your arms around and yelling “BUT I AM A DEVELOPER! I HAVE SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE TO EVERYONE! Prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/696 "2019-08-20T14:28:21Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > > > Everything you say is colored by the fact that you scam new players > > Prove it @Scipio_Artelius already did some [amazing work](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1260) on that front. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/697 "2019-08-20T14:29:04Z")
Wow this is hilarious. Tragic but hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/698 "2019-08-20T14:37:07Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/b/ab8c5d6260ccde5c8964ba2e0d46a77835eb269c.jpeg) Kezrai\_Charzai: > > > Financial statements are not “statistical data”. Corporate profit reports are not “fabricated metrics”. Google “CCP financial reports” and follow any of the dozen links to them to prove to yourself you’re a moron who hasn’t the slightest clue what he is actually talking about, but loves to pull out completely unprovable numbers like “92% of players are alts during certain hours” to pretend he has a clue. > > Those numbers have nothing to do with validating your claims that ccp’s right that abusing new players is good for eve. Then it’s probably a good thing I never said a word about that, huh? I literally _quoted your post_ and replied specifically to your majorly erroneous statement about CCP’s annual income, which you stated (twice!) as a fact. You can’t even keep straight which post you are replying to or which facts you have gotten wrong. Try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261/699 "2019-08-20T14:37:39Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > @Scipio_Artelius already did some [amazing work](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1260) on that front. Taking mails out of context, when most of them were not even enacted upon by player population, does not prove that. Btw, All of this was squashed in that exact thread. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-hilmar-ccp-falcon-and-ccp-goodfella-reveal-their-plans-for-an-eve-era-of-chaos-in-this-new-interview/178261.md?page=35)