# :facepalm: CCP is an untrustworthy purveyor of limited edition assets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675 "2021-10-10T07:30:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/102 "2021-10-16T18:08:05Z")
Well, you know you’ve lost when you’re buying cosmetic skins items for _invisible_ covert ops ships that you can’t see. Nice skin though. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/4/5/145699ac62727e4202d4d257199bb666eb823bda.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/103 "2021-10-16T20:28:57Z")
> [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](#): > > “Last chance” does not mean last chance, OK. > > Don’t really care what CCP say to be honest they u turn, betray & break their word near every promotion & game moderation. Ain’t their fault you don’t understand marketing. Always read the fine print my boy. > [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > That is the lowest effort straw man argument that is possible to make. What has this to do with the serious topic under discussion? Everything bruv. This is why logic and marketing classes need to be mandatory in schools. Sigh. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I also think you arent quite sure (like many here) what a strawman argument actually is. Preach so hard. As someone who has actually taken a logic class, peeps just throw around phrases without understanding them. I mean I get that strawman is more sexy than modus ponens but man. > [@Zoiie](#): > > Well, you know you’ve lost when you’re buying cosmetic skins items for _invisible_ covert ops ships that you can’t see. Nice skin though. Hey. No judgement man. It looks cool in the station 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/104 "2021-10-17T04:30:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > My understanding of something I didnt mention is irrelevent. > > But youve piqued my interest so lets go there. > > My understanding of Limited Edition is that its a marketting buzzphrase used to convince people of low willpower and high anxiety that the item will not be available to purchase ever again after a period of time. Its designed to hark to things like 1st Edition books. > > However, all items ever produced are “limited edition” and the phrase Limited Edition holds as much legal weight as the phrase “Collector’s Edition” or “Great Value” or “By Grobtharr’s Hammer What A Savings” Did you even read the title to this thread? It is about limited edition assets, so it is relevant. The fact you “didn’t mention” it, and having had you interest piqued, you now are commenting on it, goes to show you have been indulging in straw man tactics. You could not possibly have said anything more incriminating than this - you clearly do not think your words through before you speak them. Regarding your actual definition of the term, it is completely unfunctional as a definition because it presupposes that limited edition assets or businesses do not even exist. This is completely and utterly irrational. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/105 "2021-10-17T04:34:12Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > That’s a good business. Lots of money to be made in limited-edition assets. And we’re talking about assets owned by CCP so I don’t see the problem. If players buy them why not sell them? I completely agree with this point, but I must add that if they operate a business selling limited edition assets, then, they need to observe the rules and commitments that accompany it. The AT ship market is my primary example of how CCP are untrustworthy. The AT ship market contained assets (AT ships) that I would argue are the most expensive and valuable digital in-game assets in any computer game. You can find this out by converting their values to USD. The market derived AT ship values from their scarcity and status as limited edition assets. CCP not only committed that there would only be 50 of each, but they also inscribed the ships with unique identifiers proving which tournament they were won in. Yet CCP has not scrupled to torpedo the whole thing in the name of other priorities. “To save precious dev time” says they. I believe this is a lie, and they were already riding rough shod over AT ships by selling them for cash on the Chinese cash store. I think it’s quite obvious that they have plans to sell them on the main server cash store sometime in the future. They cannot be trusted to honour limited edition assets. I feel I can say this with absolute objectivity. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/106 "2021-10-17T06:42:35Z")
> [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > goes to show you have been indulging in straw man tactics. No, it doesnt. A strawman is creating an exaggerated easy to disprove situation just so you can knock it down. Ive done neither of these things and you cannot show me doing so. Please understand the words you use before you use them. > [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > Regarding your actual definition of the term, it is completely unfunctional as a definition because it presupposes that limited edition assets or businesses do not even exist. This is completely and utterly irrational. 1. Both myself and Michael DeCrimson between us gave 2 examples where Limited Edition products exist. 2. Unfunctional isnt a word. 3. Your response to this is entirely irrational. Im arguing from a position of fact, you are not. Thats irrational. Additionally, the thread isnt actually about "lImted edition assets, regardless of what the title claims. Its about time limited offers, but that would be nitpicking. The opposite of strawmanning and yet the other thing Im often accused of. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/107 "2021-10-17T07:01:16Z")
Perhaps CCP could make a “social contract” commitment (terms) on these items with the customer base and commit to them being limited and special, then we hold them up to that. Perhaps the CSM could be part of that? And a special indicator on each of these items to clarify and make transparent that they are indeed limited. Like a serial number and how many available (and that serial number would itself be valuable lol then by side effect and the nature of placing value on things by people) and a little icon on the item iconagraphy and description. So instead of bickering and aruging, I am proposing solutions. If you need more of my genius ideas, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/108 "2021-10-17T08:18:58Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > My theory is that any such promise did not affect your interest; you would have bought the item regardless of any perceived rarity status in the future is what I would guess if asked. That’s correct. I don’t care if the apparel items are advertised as being limited edition, I’m just interested in having a complete collection. ---
**Author:** ![CistaCista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cistacista/32/482254_2.png) [@CistaCista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CistaCista)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/109 "2021-10-17T08:37:40Z")
> [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > There are many companies that successfully run a limited edition business I don’t think you can point to a gaming company that does it more succesfully than CCP. PLEASE point to incidents where CCP has resold items in the NES Store that were supposed to be limited editon. The problem we collectors have had with CCP is not the NES store, but re-gifting. Google for example the story of the Silver Magnate and the Cross of the Sacred Throne. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/110 "2021-10-17T08:38:28Z")
> [@CistaCista](#): > > I don’t think you can point to a gaming company that does it more succesfully than CCP. Valve and Steam. ---
**Author:** ![CistaCista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cistacista/32/482254_2.png) [@CistaCista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CistaCista)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/111 "2021-10-17T08:39:29Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Valve and Steam. That’s not a game I’ve heard of. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/112 "2021-10-17T08:41:53Z")
> [@CistaCista](#): > > That’s not a game I’ve heard of. Their entire platform and limited items on sales, events and promotions. Some fetch a damn high value (in their credit currency) on their own internal trading, marketable platform and swapping. You will find it difficult to find somebody more successful than Valve in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/113 "2021-10-17T09:55:13Z")
> [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > they need to observe the rules and commitments that accompany it. I don’t disagree with you. Yet… I don’t see _laws_ in your post. Rules… whose rules? Commitments are malleable. I don’t put much stock in both, as in anything, if it isn’t regulated by laws it is “subject to changes”. > [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > is my primary example of how CCP are untrustworthy ‘Corporation’ and ‘untrustworthy’ are synonymous to me. > [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > I think it’s quite obvious that they have plans to sell them on the main server cash store sometime in the future I think it’s quite obvious they plan to act as a corporation, what a shock. > [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > They cannot be trusted to honour limited edition assets. I feel I can say this with absolute objectivity Too many words in that sentence. They cannot be trusted, period. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/114 "2021-10-17T10:04:28Z")
I have handpicked some entertaining arguments of players trying to support limited edition scamming. See below. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Blablabla, normal people don’t care, at all. > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > ccp owns all the virtual items in their game anyway. Nobody is forced to spend real money on virtual game things > [@Moriar\_theChosen](#): > > No one is making you buy these. > > You don’t have to play EvE. > [@Scootaloo\_Pirkibo](#): > > i don t give a ■■■■ if they re-issue > [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > it is in their rational self-interest to make money off these limited edition items as often as they can, as the number of customers it annoys will be trivial > [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > More broadly, do you think it’s possible that other companies (and I’m talking specifically about automotive here, as that’s my real life background) do very similar things? > [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > I can’t find any reference to the AT ship prizes being one run ever, though I hardly think releasing a second batch of 50 over… 17 years? is a radical scam. > [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > Last chance at that time. It’s marketing. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > My understanding of Limited Edition is that its a marketting buzzphrase used to convince people of low willpower and high anxiety that the item will not be available to purchase ever again after a period of time. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > This is why logic and marketing classes need to be mandatory in schools. Sigh. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Additionally, the thread isnt actually about "lImted edition assets, regardless of what the title claims. > [@CistaCista](#): > > I don’t think you can point to a gaming company that does it more succesfully than CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/115 "2021-10-17T10:29:21Z")
Combining all of that gets you the following: “This thread is not about limited edition assets. But even if it was, I don’t give a ■■■■ if they reissue them because it only upsets a minority of players. Nobody is forcing them to buy anything or play eve. It is rational for a CCP, as a corporation, to prey on customer gullibility and anxiety with limited edition assets issues, then betray the commitment and supply more, as long as it maximises their bottom line. As you would learn in any marketing course, this is completely standard practice.” ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/116 "2021-10-17T10:42:01Z")
> [@Dark\_Magni](#): > > Combining all of that gets you the following That’s what you get for starting a thread that seems to attack CCP here, you open yourself up for that kind of wasted time. Have you noticed that those members hardly ever start threads? Why do you think that is? Then again, you don’t have to reply to them. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/117 "2021-10-17T11:25:01Z")
I’m just trying to understand the complaint, and parse the actual issues from the usual whining bud. As I did a little digging into the limited edition stuff, I am now pretty clear that there’s specific instances where CCP have stated unambiguously that a line of skins / apparel / whatever will be discontinued. If that promise is broken, then I have every sympathy with your view. However, I’m yet to see any direct quotes from CCP saying that AT ships will only ever be issued once, or the police skins will never be for sale again - the two examples of “scams” you have put forward. If you don’t get this market or how it works, that’s one thing. Calling it a scam is another entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/118 "2021-10-17T11:35:53Z")
The wierd part is that you seem to think that I support this kind of activity. You clearly didnt even read what you quoted from me. ---
**Author:** ![Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_crush_mafannyoot/32/276742_2.png) [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cherry_Crush_MaFannyOot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/119 "2021-10-17T14:30:47Z")
The short of it is CCP’s consumer confidence is now in the gutter owing to re release of digital collectibles. With CCP’s low level of new customer retention & massive subscription debt to vetran players, customer confidence is an irrelevant metric. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/120 "2021-10-17T16:58:29Z")
> [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](#): > > CCP’s consumer confidence is now in the gutter I feel like there is an entire community of players who exist for no purpose other than to whine and criticize CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675/121 "2021-10-17T17:01:45Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I feel like there is an entire community of players who exist for no purpose other than to whine and criticize CCP. How much do they pay you? Just as you criticise Linux for the sake of it , see here [CCP is now getting bad reviews on ProtonDB - #2 by Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/2) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-an-untrustworthy-purveyor-of-limited-edition-assets/331675.md?page=7)