# CCP is now getting bad reviews on ProtonDB **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 17, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901 "2021-10-17T12:47:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/42 "2021-10-17T19:34:36Z")
And people just keep feeding and feeding, adding to the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/43 "2021-10-17T19:40:09Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Either way, bad reviews are bad, no matter where they are. > > Eve is on Steam, that’s a major gaming platform base, MAJOR. SteamPlay goes hand in hand with Steam. Even other major publishers have problems competing with Steam with their own. Steam is a mayor gaming platform base indeed. But how many EVE players use Steam? I guess not even half. And how many Steam users use Linux? A quick google shows me 1%: # [Steam on Linux Finally Hits 1% User Share for First Time in Years](https://linuxiac.com/steam-on-linux-one-percent-user-share/) While it is possible that the share of linux players for EVE happens to be much bigger than that of other games, I would think that this 1% is a good indication of the amount of gamers playing on Linux. So if CCP has to decide what to spend less on, I can imagine them spending less on that part of the playerbase that represents such a small amount of players. Yes, some people may play EVE on linux. But you’re not representing any significant part of the (potential) playerbase. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/45 "2021-10-17T19:44:30Z")
A small % of a huge number is still a big number. Steam is a HUGE number. (Circa. 25 MILLION). 1% is 250,000 (big number). That’s not counting those Linux gamers not using Steam. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/46 "2021-10-17T19:47:21Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > A small % of a huge number is still a big number. > > Steam is a HUGE number. (Circa. 25 MILLION). Before we start throwing with numbers, please specify what numbers you’re using, where you got them and what they represent. 25 million, what is it? Steam players? ProtonDB users? EVE players through ProtonDB? 1% of the EVE playerbase? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/47 "2021-10-17T19:47:50Z")
Source: [• Number of Steam users 2021 | Statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/308330/number-stream-users/) and [Steam: Game and Player Statistics](https://store.steampowered.com/stats/) And it is INCREASING (going UP, getting a BIGGER NUMBER). Not only is the Steam user count going up, so is the Linux user count. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/48 "2021-10-17T19:49:51Z")
Oh you’re talking about _STEAM users_? It’s like talking about the amount of water drinkers. Yes, some of them might be EVE players, but it’s kind of irrelevant to this discussion, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/49 "2021-10-17T19:50:15Z")
We don’t have those numbers, but you talked about 1% being tiny on Steam, I proved it is not a small number. 250,000 (and increasing) potential customers is no small number. QED ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/50 "2021-10-17T19:51:20Z")
but how many of them are playing EVE?? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/51 "2021-10-17T19:51:34Z")
We don’t know as CCP don’t tell us. I wish they would. Why don’t they tell us, it’s not super secret, other companies list their platform user counts. It would put this argument to rest tbh (for a while). Not sure what they gain from keeping the platform usage hidden, we pretty much know it’s dominate by Windows. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/52 "2021-10-17T20:03:24Z")
Okay, some napkin math: 1. Amount of Steam EVE players: [EVE Online - Steam Charts](https://steamcharts.com/app/8500) ~3540 average amount of players last month 2. Amount of EVE players: [EVE-Offline :: EVE-Online Status monitor](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) 21k average last month Percentage of EVE players that plays through steam: 3.5/21 = 17%. _(Yes, comparing two different averages from eve-offline and whatever steam used isn’t completely accurate, but total accuracy isn’t intended here, I just want to get a good approximation)_ Amount of Steam players that use linux: [Steam on Linux Finally Hits 1% User Share for First Time in Years](https://linuxiac.com/steam-on-linux-one-percent-user-share/) We don’t know the amount of EVE players that use linux, but let’s make an educated guess and assume it is similar to the amount of Steam players that use linux: 1%. 0.01x0.17x21000 = about 36 accounts online on average through Linux I might be wrong and it might be twice as many, or fewer. But it’s hardly a big number. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/53 "2021-10-17T20:04:27Z")
36 players, lol, that doesn’t pass my smell test. Also, dual booters or those Linux users who threw in the towel and use Windows, but would also use Linux if native (perhaps similar scenario for some Mac users). ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/54 "2021-10-17T20:05:45Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > 36 players That’s a bold assumption. It could be 3 multiboxers. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/55 "2021-10-17T20:06:17Z")
Nicely trolled, however, multiboxers are what % over all, but that’s another discussion topic I think 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/56 "2021-10-17T20:36:18Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Oh look, Mac native client. Like i said, centralised support system and players with disposable income, compared to linux users without a centralised support system, are you going to volunteer to test the game on every possible distro? no? Well thats why you don’t get a linux client, you chose the hard life ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/57 "2021-10-17T20:43:00Z")
Circa. 250,000 gamers on Steam have chosen that life, and it’s a growing gamer base, and that’s just Steam. As for support, well, the internet runs on Linux and BSD, no centralised support needed, the tools used by application developers are documented and supported by major companies (not to mention contributions to the Kernel itself, even Apple contributes technologies to the Linux and BSD and Unix ecosystem, so does Valve). OpenGL, Vulkan, QT, Python. Your centralised support system argument falls down. If that was required for success, it wouldn’t be on Steam at all, there are many big title games on Linux NATIVE (major game engines are cross platform), they seem to have no problem whatsoever. You seem to be using arguments from the 90’s, those arguments no longer are applicable. For such a terrible platform (and tiny gamer base), why would Valve be investing in it and building services and products around it. Steam Deck, built on top of Linux. It is not built from Windows, and it is not build from the Mac. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/58 "2021-10-17T20:47:06Z")
You and 6 other people are clearly enraged. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/59 "2021-10-17T21:10:50Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Circa. 250,000 gamers on Steam have chosen that life, and it’s a growing gamer base, and that’s just Steam. Cool and? You realise 250k is a literal drop in the ocean in terms of PC gamers right? > [@Zoiie](#): > > As for support, well, the internet runs on Linux and BSD, no centralised support needed There is if you want gamers to be supported, each of these tools has their own support systems, which doesn’t help CCP lol Also most of those devices are embedded systems that aren’t being used for games so a literal moot point > [@Zoiie](#): > > OpenGL, Vulkan, QT, Python. Cool you think listing technologies means linux gamers are worth supporting? 😛 > [@Zoiie](#): > > Your centralised support system argument falls down Where does it, you’ve just proven why its not possible, like i said, numerous distros with differences and quirks, unless you have a way to quickly test against all of them and guaranteed support you’re not going to bother supporting them, its pretty simple > [@Zoiie](#): > > For such a terrible platform (and tiny gamer base), why would Valve be investing in it and building services and products around it. Because linux is free, they don’t have to pay licensing for it like they would windows or OSX or Android if they were to ship things like the steam deck with those systems, and if you want proton to work properly go speak to vale, the people who made it, its not down to CCP to waste resources supporting a tool that most players aren’t going to bother using, you’re still a tiny percentage I mean, i get that you’re trying to bait responses, whatever makes you happy i guess, but at the end of the day it won’t change the facts ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/60 "2021-10-17T21:11:29Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > You realise 250k is a literal drop in the ocean in terms of PC gamers right? How many gamers does Eve have? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/61 "2021-10-17T21:12:39Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > > [@Cypherous](#): > > > > You realise 250k is a literal drop in the ocean in terms of PC gamers right? > > How many gamers does Eve have?. And what percentage of those are linux gamers? I think we call that checkmate ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901/62 "2021-10-17T21:13:17Z")
250,000 potential gamers, that’s no small number, if it was small, why are major game companies releasing their games NATIVE on Linux (Borderlands 2 is native for example). Not to mention Valve games are native. Eve gamer base is tiny compared to Linux gamer base on Steam alone. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-is-now-getting-bad-reviews-on-protondb/332901.md?page=4)