# CCP killed highsec PvP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493 "2018-03-23T17:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/474 "2018-08-08T21:04:17Z")
Look man. I play this game because oft how it works right now and many do the very same thing. But it is just a game. It’s not the end of the world if EVE suddenly ceases to be EVE and becomes the carebear paradise you wish. I would simply stop playing it and move on. But as long as it stays EVE I will probably play it because I get the entertainment I want. You on the other hand seem to be overly invested in a game you don’t even like. That’s really tragic in a sense. You don’t look for something to play that suits you instead you build your hope up that the core aspect of a 15 year old game you clearly hate completely change to your likeing. That’s pretty sad. And please don’t act like you represent “the new generation” who suddenly hates competitive games and just wants to carebear. Because you don’t. I know EVE players of almost every age, young and old and they all manage and find the game interesting as it is. It’s obviously not for everyone. But please don’t make it look like the “PvE” players are all on your side, because they are not. Most people do a variety of things in this game because it is not the classic game where you do some PvE dungeons and then go for a round of PvP into an arena. EvE is real. Most build stuff and take up weapons when in need, when the time comes to defend their stuff or for revenge or to fight over space etc, there are actual reasons here… And people manage, not only “PvPers”, but many many other who call themselves who knows what, industrialist, miner, mission runners, salvagers, explorers, people who understand the sandbox nature of this game and enjoy the deep meaning it has because of the dangers there are. Did it ever come to your mind that you just suck at the game and are overly bitter about it? You are another FabRod alt right? Still crying about that one Mammoth you lost… seriously ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/476 "2018-08-08T22:29:32Z")
Is this the only game where you cry on the forums to get it changed completely or are you doing this in every game you suck? ---
**Author:** ![Ari\_Kolapa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ari_kolapa/32/78937_2.png) [@Ari\_Kolapa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ari_Kolapa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/477 "2018-08-08T22:33:11Z")
no this is the game where some people think that any change to the game will kill the game even if this change is wanted and necessary because they think their way to see the game is carved into stone for all time… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/478 "2018-08-08T22:38:36Z")
no change is needed that’s the thing XD go back to hello kitty online alt#3250 of that one guy who always cries ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/479 "2018-08-08T23:03:55Z")
It’s not wanted and necessary at all. Most people are not as bad at EVE as you are and they don’t have a problem with it’s fundamental aspects. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/480 "2018-08-08T23:21:23Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > no this is the game where some people think that any change to the game will kill the game even if this change is wanted and necessary because they think their way to see the game is carved into stone for all time… Again as apparently you can’t hear in the cheap seats ; empire war, _the topic of the thread_ , **wasn’t changed**. It collapsed into spamming hubhumping degenerate lechery because the adjacent mechanics it relied upon were altered , leaving it … Are you listening? … No really are you listening? … _In **need** of change_. You suck at this. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/481 "2018-08-09T05:52:38Z")
Imo its not HS carebears that are preventing change to wardec mechanics and HS PvP. Its suicide gankers, mass wardeccers and null-bears on their alts. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/482 "2018-08-09T06:21:22Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > Hurr durr 25% hurr durr (etc)… Figures and evidence now, please. ---
**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/483 "2018-08-09T06:24:21Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > no this is the game where some people think that any change to the game will kill the game even if this change is wanted and necessary because they think their way to see the game is carved into stone for all time… Not really, we got bored of arguing and majority of us have moved to WoW and unsubbed. Change high sec as much as you like 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/484 "2018-08-09T06:43:41Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > no this is the game where some people think …and the rest mine, right? Sounds like you need to stop thinking and start mining, if thats what you enjoy. No miners in the casino, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/485 "2018-08-09T06:56:44Z")
This is the closest we have about what people used to do before Rubicon: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/0/c08a2bcdfc6f4fecf0398268f2c75d3dd1a63a20.jpg) Only “Professional” and “aggressor” engaged in PvP regularly, that wass about 38% of subscribers (not accounts, not characters, but unique users). As for the “25 %”, it’s a very old number from when CCP said that, according to surveys, only 25% of the new players stated that they had joined EVE because of the PvP. We’re talking 2009 or 2010, very old data. ---
**Author:** ![Ari\_Kolapa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ari_kolapa/32/78937_2.png) [@Ari\_Kolapa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ari_Kolapa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/486 "2018-08-09T07:31:35Z")
> **[Notice - Player To Player Bounty System Temporarily Disabled! | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pd60dr/notice-player-to-player-bounty-system-temporarily-disabled)** > > The player to player bounty system has been disabled temporarily. Check out this news item for more details. Proof that my words are correct no 2… Also “temporarily”…whoever believes that… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/487 "2018-08-09T07:49:36Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > Proof that my words are correct no 2… > > Also “temporarily”…whoever believes that… God, you’re stupid. It’s being disabled, because the recent battles in null-sec have produced a huge spam of messages and in order to allow for even more players to take part in these fights is CCP exploring options how to reduce server and client load. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/488 "2018-08-09T07:51:44Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s being disabled, because the recent battles in null-sec have produced a huge spam of messages and in order to allow for even more players to take part in these fights is CCP exploring options how to reduce server and client load Sound legit, but do you really need the insulting pretext? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/489 "2018-08-09T07:53:38Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Sound legit, but do you really need the insulting pretext? In his case, yes. He has been spamming the forum with false comments for a while now. Always proclaiming how EVE wasn’t a PvP game and how it’s a PvE game. Every comment he has made so far is a total fabrication of nonsense. He doesn’t even play the game, has got no character, and only trolls the forum. He is deliberately stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/490 "2018-08-09T08:07:14Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > Proof that my words are correct no 2… > > Also “temporarily”…whoever believes that… Because of a performance issue. Basically the same problem you have with EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/491 "2018-08-09T08:27:30Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s being disabled, because the recent battles in null-sec have produced a huge spam of messages and in order to allow for even more players to take part in these fights is CCP exploring options how to reduce server and client load. If they really did that, they would look elsewhere. Yesterday, during the X47 abomination the server was calculating hundreds of killrights and bounty server requests (in Null Sec!) while I was waiting for my ship to jump out of system. That should be something to look at to improve server performance. And by that I mean completely disabled on that node or in that system and not just “not displayed”, because that means they are still being processed and cause unnecessary load. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/492 "2018-08-09T10:01:28Z")
> [@Ari\_Kolapa](#): > > Also “temporarily”…whoever believes that… 25% of us. ---
**Author:** ![Ari\_Kolapa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ari_kolapa/32/78937_2.png) [@Ari\_Kolapa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ari_Kolapa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/493 "2018-08-09T10:50:19Z")
god are you naive… believing every “explanation” ccps throws you in the trough… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/494 "2018-08-09T10:53:49Z")
Idk but I’m pretty sure CCP knows more about their game than you Htfu or gtfo lol [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=24)