# CCP killed highsec PvP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493 "2018-03-23T17:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/535 "2018-08-15T05:41:28Z")
Suicide gankers are the most vocal and vociferous lobby against changes to improve HS PvP mechanics. They dont want to deal with players, only CONCORD. They deliberately sabotage any discussion on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/536 "2018-08-15T06:48:09Z")
Obvious bait obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/537 "2018-08-15T06:49:44Z")
Would have to be untrue for it to be bait. Its not a false lure. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/538 "2018-08-15T06:51:12Z")
But it is. You know it is and Ive just fallen for it by replying to you. Still better me than someone else. Im selfless like that. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/539 "2018-08-15T06:52:15Z")
Its my genuine observation of the situation. But perhaps you are right, in that posting the truth is the greatest troll bait. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/540 "2018-08-15T06:57:34Z")
Well Ill not argue with an opinion. (Written before your edit to claim 100% factuality for your unsubstantiated opinion). But Id have to say its not the gankers who in the majority opening threads to lobby changes, who want to avoid other players and deal only with npcs, or derail threads simply to obfuscate a point. But thats just my genuine observation. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/541 "2018-08-15T07:00:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But Id have to say its not the gankers who in the majority opening threads to lobby changes, A) Gankers and suicide gankers are two distinct groups. One is legal aggression, the other is not. B) Other groups make threads to lobby for change, yes, but its always the suicide gankers that attack that and troll it to death. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/542 "2018-08-15T07:02:48Z")
A) A hair split that is irrelevant B) Always? Well thats a lie. Youve turned into a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/543 "2018-08-15T07:04:42Z")
A) Its not hair-splitting. Its a real distinction in game mechanics. B) I knew youd bite on “always” 🙂 C) Next you will bite that I missed an apostrophe in B). You know you want to… ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/544 "2018-08-15T10:37:17Z")
I love how he still tries to turn this HS PVP thread into a ganking thread /déjà-vu ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/545 "2018-08-15T10:58:10Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > into a ganking thread Gank =/= Suicide gank. Suicide ganking is HS PvP specific, thus well within the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/546 "2018-08-15T11:15:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > > into a ganking thread > > Gank =/= Suicide gank. > > Suicide ganking is HS PvP specific, thus well within the topic. You may want to repeat it. I didn’t quite get it after the 26th time. Also, this is now officially a ganking thread, because we all want it to be one so very much. (Any sarcasm or cynicism you may find here you can keep and sell it on eBay.) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/547 "2018-08-15T11:28:20Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I didn’t quite get it after the 26th time. Some people still dont get it. Ganking = Legal aggression. Suicide Ganking = Illegal aggression. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/548 "2018-08-15T11:34:53Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Some people still dont get it. You need to let go of it, because the topic isn’t about ganking. When someone then makes a comment, which in itself is slightly off the topic then you shouldn’t follow them, wrong or right doesn’t matter, but stay the course of the topic or you only end up going off topic with them. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/549 "2018-08-15T11:48:38Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You need to let go of it, because the topic isn’t about ganking. When someone then makes a comment, which in itself is slightly off the topic then you shouldn’t follow them, wrong or right doesn’t matter, but stay the course of the topic or you only end up going off topic with them I made the comment/observation that its suicide gankers most prolifically/obviously sabotaging discussion on CCP improving HS mechanics for more PvP. I made it, not anyone else. I didnt “follow” anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/550 "2018-08-15T11:51:17Z")
The only way to win is to not play the game. And I dont mean either EvE or Thermonuclear Exchange ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/551 "2018-08-15T11:54:33Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I didnt “follow” anyone. You did follow up to Dom and used his comment to lecture him on ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/552 "2018-08-15T11:56:07Z")
But he’s not guilty!!!11111111 To get back on topic, op was right 5 months ago, and still is ---
**Author:** ![Radborne\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/radborne_eriker/32/224395_2.png) [@Radborne\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Radborne_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/553 "2018-08-15T11:56:37Z")
Always is never in never every land. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/554 "2018-08-15T11:57:51Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You did follow up to Dom and used his comment to lecture him on ganking Wat. Ganking and suicide ganking are distinct. Pointing that out is just stating a fact. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=27)