# CCP killed highsec PvP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493 "2018-03-23T17:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1074 "2018-08-23T23:44:43Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Because you need to have measures in place in the game to prevent snowballing. Makes no sense. If the majority of players want to snowball it, then why should the minority not get snowballed? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1075 "2018-08-23T23:45:58Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Makes no sense. If the majority of players want to snowball it, then why should the minority not get snowballed? Because it’s bad for the game. Just because the majority want something doesn’t make it healthy for the long term life of the game to allow such a thing to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1076 "2018-08-23T23:48:52Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Why should it not be the other way around? Are you being serious now? Have you thought about this? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1077 "2018-08-23T23:49:36Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Because it’s bad for the game. > Just because the majority want something doesn’t make it healthy for the long term life of the game to allow such a thing to happen. No. When the majority doesn’t get what they want, then it’s bad for the game and not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1078 "2018-08-23T23:50:20Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > When the majority doesn’t get what they want, then it’s bad for the game and not the other way around. You completely missed his point. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1079 "2018-08-23T23:50:21Z")
If you really can’t see how a self interested majority might not know what’s actually good for the long term health of the entire game, rather than their own short sighted fun… then no point discussing this any further. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1080 "2018-08-23T23:55:15Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > If you really can’t see how a self interested majority might not know what’s actually good for the long term health of the entire game, rather than their own short sighted fun… then no point discussing this any further. Nonsense. We are talking about high-sec wardecs. We then have no limit to the wars in low- and null-sec. You should start panicking now. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1081 "2018-08-23T23:57:10Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/9/89db2aa65bdeb2575b3cbcecf8ab3324e9665a6a.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1082 "2018-08-23T23:59:01Z")
Go and hide your face. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1083 "2018-08-24T00:00:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > high-sec wardecs Goddamit man… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1084 "2018-08-24T00:01:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Goddamit man… Sucks when you cannot rationally explain your fears, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1085 "2018-08-24T00:06:04Z")
by the rate your arguments are deteriorating id say you are eu, somewhere near enough the gmt mark and about 2/3 into your wine, _or_ actually gmt and just up too late… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1086 "2018-08-24T00:08:51Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Goddamit man… > > Sucks when you cannot rationally explain your fears, does it? You aren’t understanding the issues at stake here. This is a HS PvP thread, and its very concerning that you dont understand that wardecs have little effect in LS and none in NS. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1087 "2018-08-24T00:11:32Z")
less concerning , more telling. he’s been trolling you for _at least_ an hour, im suprised you didn’t twig it. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1088 "2018-08-24T00:21:25Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > somewhere near enough the gmt mark and about 2/3 into your wine, I’m happy to say that I don’t drink alcohol. Shall we get back on the topic? I’ll help you… What happened on Serenity is entirely their business. They have other problems and you’re only using it as an argument to claim it was their blue donut that caused it. It’s however a server in China and they are communist people. And if they wanted the giant blue donut then it could well be a cultural thing. I’m not going to tell China to become a democracy here or assume that what they do will also be exactly what we do. So you fear a big blue donut would destroy the game and rather than facing the fear do you want to make sure it can never happen. You think it’s better to just patronize all of EVE so you don’t have to fear it. If there are enough players who believe in the same fear as you do then you shouldn’t have a problem finding enough players to counter it. So let’s just get back to the topic of high-sec and wardecs in high-sec, and why you think it’s necessary, after more than 15 years, to put a dampener on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1089 "2018-08-24T00:31:35Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I’m happy to say that I don’t drink alcohol. fair enough, i’ll apologise if that was affencive > [@Whitehound](#): > > you’re only using ive never once brought Serenity up im not touching that with a six foot bargepole. > [@Whitehound](#): > > So let’s just get back to the topic of high-sec and wardecs in high-sec, and why you think it’s necessary, after more than 15 years, to put a dampener on it. because eve changes war has not _ **since 2012** _ ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1090 "2018-08-24T00:32:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You aren’t understanding the issues at stake here. > This is a HS PvP thread, and its very concerning that you dont understand that wardecs have little effect in LS and none in NS. No. I’ll explain it for you. Nevyn talked about controlling majorities, because he thinks they will destroy the game. I’ve pointed out that we already have uncontrolled wars in low- and null-sec. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1091 "2018-08-24T00:34:39Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I’ve pointed out that we already have uncontrolled wars in low- and null-sec outside of highsec , all war _declaration_ does is turn the gate guns off sparky. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1092 "2018-08-24T00:36:49Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > because eve changes > war has not _ **since 2012** _ Worst explanation ever, for any kind of change. I might just use that to demand changes on anything. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/1093 "2018-08-24T00:38:24Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > outside of highsec , all war _declaration_ does is turn the gate guns off sparky. Did you not read Nevyn’s comment? Seriously, this is not helpful right now. I suggest you read what he replied to me or just let it go. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=51) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=53)