# CCP killed highsec PvP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493 "2018-03-23T17:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/103 "2018-03-27T08:20:43Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > “wait you had a discussion with Drac and you feel better informed about the motives of wardeccers? isn’t that kinda like having a discussion with a mining corp and feeling better informed on the motives of gankers? wink” Well that was rather insulting, I just laughed it off as the deranged uttering of a ganker and mass war decker… PS I forgot this 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/104 "2018-03-27T08:22:31Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I just laughed it off as the deranged uttering of a ganker and mass war decker… ^^ one of the mods everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/105 "2018-03-27T11:17:22Z")
Now thats done with, here is my proposal: -Inversely scaling wardec cost based on corp size. -Wardec maximum based on Omegas. -Limited Watchlist. -Locator Agent improvement. * * * **Wardec Cost:** Based on size, inversely, so as to enable corps large and small to declare war on an equal footing, relative to their size and the targets. **Wardec Maximum:** Based on Omegas, so as to moderately incentivize specific wars. The Omega limit is to prevent inflating this limit with Alpha spamming, and is more representative of the “real” accounts associated with the corp. The specific margins can be discussed. **Limited Watchlist:** I propose as being bought individually by specific players in a wardec engaged corp, on a target corp. Ie: The Corp does not get Watchlist. Each player has to buy it themselves, individually. I propose it be bought for 1-7 days, with cost scaling to 7. I propose it be bought through the Wardec interface. The reason to make this only individually buyable by players, is so that though the information can be shared with others, smaller corps, and even solo wardeccers, can get it too at the same cost. (For guys like Kannibal Kane for example) **Locator Agents:** I propose Locator Agents are eliminated, and instead Location Services are naturalized into an aspect of the Bounty interface. Result: Location services are bought from the Bounty interface at a flat rate (no standing issues), anywhere in space, based on the level of Location service you want. Targets in J-space are excluded, as before. Locator service will not reveal if target is online, as before. You can use the Watchlist service instead., if at war with them. Second, optional, I propose the cost of the Location service is reduced in a scalar fashion depending on the current Bounty on that target. Ie: A target with a high bounty, will cost less to locate. This, additionally, returns some significance to Bounty. IE: Bountied targets are cheaper to locate. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/106 "2018-03-27T11:48:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Wardec Maximum: Based on Omegas, so as to moderately incentivize specific wars. The Omega limit is to prevent inflating this limit with Alpha spamming, and is more representative of the “real” accounts associated with the corp. The specific margins can be discussed. Is this Omegas on the agressing or defending side? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/107 "2018-03-27T11:56:47Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Is this Omegas on the agressing or defending side? The Omega derived limit applies to an aggressors side. There is no limit on what corps can be wardecced (barring NPC corps), nor how many wardecs can be initiated on them. The Omega limit applies only to declaring a war, not being a target of it. Declaring war, and being a target, become two different things. How many wars you can declare, is restricted by Omega count. How many wars you can be a target of, is unrestricted. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/108 "2018-03-27T12:26:44Z")
I should be forgiving you, but I won’t because of the lengths you went to try and discredit me or outright ignore me. As far as I’m concerned you still have a long way to go… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/109 "2018-03-27T12:30:07Z")
I didn’t ask for, nor need, your forgiveness. The crap Ive had to deal with from you is common knowledge, and your responsibility. If anything you should be apologizing to me, and thanking me. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/110 "2018-03-27T12:37:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If anything you should be apologizing to me, and thanking me. Why should I? I’m not the one that was claiming to have my ideas stolen. Nor was I the one turning a blind eye to hard facts. Nor the one using those same facts I was denying in my new arguments. But hey, if you want to blame me for your wrongdoings and all of your repetitive posts, go ahead idgaf ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/111 "2018-03-27T12:39:14Z")
I owned my sh\*t. You have not. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/112 "2018-03-27T12:48:09Z")
Because I have none to own lol I state facts, not _common knowledge_ nor _stuff that I heard somewhere on the internet_ If that doesn’t please you or your motives, then it’s none of my problems. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/113 "2018-03-27T13:00:30Z")
Huh, is that so. Funny then that your proposal doc mirrors what I have spent years and hundreds of posts on-topic debating/exploring/developing as what I thought would work, and taking sh\*t for that, including from you. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/114 "2018-03-27T13:06:13Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I withdraw that Dom “copied” my suggestions. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What remains after that, is Doms proposal has roughly the same structure as my suggestions/views have been/are. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Funny then that your proposal doc mirrors what I have spent years and hundreds of posts on-topic Sounds like you’re not retracting that first statement at all now… That’s some deep hate you have for me then 😃 Not holey levels, but not too far behind ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/115 "2018-03-27T13:13:19Z")
Cba. If you won’t own up, not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/116 "2018-03-27T13:56:22Z")
Why should I own up on stuff that I thought about? Lol ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/117 "2018-03-27T15:08:47Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > As to the rest of your example, yes that would be accurate I too look forward to having all the old problems arising from watchlists back in the game! As a bonus, we get a barrier to entry which disadvantages smaller groups! YAY! Broken mechanics are back on the table bois! 🤣 Good luck with “your” proposal! ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/118 "2018-03-27T15:12:34Z")
As much as I hate Salvos What do you propose instead? Usually it takes a proposal to counter another proposal… not tears E: I’m in no way defending any of his stuff, just making a point about proposals in general ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/119 "2018-03-27T15:34:50Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > As much as I hate Salvos > > What do you propose instead? > > Usually it takes a proposal to counter another proposal… not tears > > E: I’m in no way defending any of his stuff, just making a point about proposals in general Maybe your emotional attachments are distorting your comprehension. I was not ‘countering’ a proposal. Rather, I merely point out the logical extensions of “his”. That said, whoever told you that countering a proposal requires another proposal is either wrong or, more likely, speaking about empirical trends. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/120 "2018-03-27T15:37:24Z")
Then no offense, but your opinion on the matter is kinda irrelevant lol You can’t just come and say > your idea is shite Without either a counter-proposal or explaining why with facts That’s how debates work lol ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/121 "2018-03-27T15:47:10Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > You can’t just come and say > > “your idea is shite” i challenge you to read any thread in [player feature and ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/technology-research/player-features-ideas) and then say that again with a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493/122 "2018-03-27T15:58:14Z")
🙃 I’m absolutely guilty lol Not even denying that 😄 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-killed-highsec-pvp/65493.md?page=7)